Test En/Tren En cycle advise

**Joker** · 07-13-2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by mattyice

PCT I prefer...

Torem 60mg/ 6weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg/ q3days

I recovered from 9 months @ more than 5g a week. Much easier transition if you throw 20mg Ostarine as well.

AS FAR AS pct WE CAN DISCUSS SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS. I CAN'T SAY ANY ONE WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY OR WRONG WAY. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS LEARNING THE BASICS AND FINDING OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU THE INDIVIDUAL. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THIS THING OF OURS. THERE IS NO ONE WAY OF DOING THINGS.
NOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO RUN THE AROM. DURING PCT. THEN I SUGGEST LOWERING THE NOLV TO 20/20/10/10 ADND RUN THE AROM 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 EOD OR E3D
AS FAR AS TORE. THAT IS A PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND BASED ON ONES OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. IF IT WORKS FOR YOU GREAT. SOME MAY DIFFER IN OPINION.

THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT =)

**texson** · 07-13-2013, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Joker

"Tren will keep your libido up"

Idk what tren your running but normally tren has the OPPOSITE effect. Hence the reason for running caber or a good dose of prop while on a tren cycle.
Run tren at 500mg or higher without a good test base and let me know how well your libido is. If it's even existent ; )

that's a tough one. more of the voodoo that surrounds steroids and how it affects each individual.

for some, libido is off the charts, and yet for others.....tren dick. the infamous dead, limp, useless tren dick.

i've heard zillions of tales from both sides of the fence. me personally, tren dick has never been a prob, but then, i run test with it most the time.

**texson** · 07-13-2013, 05:44 PM

don't know what your history is with tren, but if its a first time, enanthate is not the way to go. especially with your somewhat limited cycle background.

best light that candle with tren acetate.

**texson** · 07-13-2013, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Joker

AS FAR AS pct WE CAN DISCUSS SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS. I CAN'T SAY ANY ONE WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY OR WRONG WAY. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS LEARNING THE BASICS AND FINDING OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU THE INDIVIDUAL. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THIS THING OF OURS. THERE IS NO ONE WAY OF DOING THINGS.
NOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO RUN THE AROM. DURING PCT. THEN I SUGGEST LOWERING THE NOLV TO 20/20/10/10 ADND RUN THE AROM 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 EOD OR E3D
AS FAR AS TORE. THAT IS A PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND BASED ON ONES OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. IF IT WORKS FOR YOU GREAT. SOME MAY DIFFER IN OPINION.

THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT =)

would you take advice from a guy with a face like that?

i think not.

**mattyice** · 07-13-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Joker

AS FAR AS pct WE CAN DISCUSS SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS. I CAN'T SAY ANY ONE WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY OR WRONG WAY. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS LEARNING THE BASICS AND FINDING OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU THE INDIVIDUAL. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THIS THING OF OURS. THERE IS NO ONE WAY OF DOING THINGS.
NOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO RUN THE AROM. DURING PCT. THEN I SUGGEST LOWERING THE NOLV TO 20/20/10/10 ADND RUN THE AROM 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 EOD OR E3D
AS FAR AS TORE. THAT IS A PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND BASED ON ONES OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. IF IT WORKS FOR YOU GREAT. SOME MAY DIFFER IN OPINION.

THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT =)

The reason I use asin during PCT is because studies have shown that it increases test production... it is almost steroidal compound. I like caber .50mg/ q week during pct as well... after nandrolone or trenbolone.

**1tuffcookie** · 07-16-2013, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Joker

First and foremost what are your goals?
also how long do you plan on running this cycle.....

truthfully..

i would like to see you run TREN-A for your first tren run. I want you to see the sides and appreciate the hormone before you jump in the tren pool without testing the waters.

i would run a very simple run .
10-12 weeks on the test and maybe 6 weeks on the tren
so hows this

TEST-P 1-4 100MG @ 3/4 X A WEEK
TEST-E 1-10/12 200MG/300MG WEEK (OPTIONAL: YOU COULD RUN THE TEST @ 500MG A WEEK BUT CHANCES OF SIDES SRE GREATER)
TREN-A 1-6 100MG @ 4/5 X A WEEK
ADEX - .5 EOD (THIS ALSO VARIES DEPENDING ON SIDES.YOU COULD GO E3D.ALL DEPENDS IF JOINTS ARE SORE...GET BLOOD WORK DURING CYCLE TO MONITOR ESTRO)
CABER .5 E3D ( THIS IS ALSO OPTIONAL)

NOW IF YOU NOTICE LIBIDO DROPS DURING WEEK 5,6,7,8 ADD A A DOSE OR TWO OF PROP TO CORRECT THIS ISSUE

PCT

CLOMID 100/100/50/50 IF YOU GO 10 WEEKS ON THE TEST RUN , START PCT DURING WEEK 13 ( TAKES 2 WEEKS FOR TEST LEVELS TO DROP)
12 WEEKS ON THE TEST RUN . START PCT DURING WEEK 15

NOLV 40/40/20/20

I HOPE THIS HELPS.... GIVE IT A SHOT ; )

Joker Thanks for your Input Brother , I wanted to run Tren A first but I don't have the funds to get any. I have a bunch of Tren E that's been taking up space in my cupboard for sometime now and I just managed to get a few bucks together to get some test E to run with it. Unless the JOKER would like to contribute to the "TREN A For beginners fund" LOL!!!!

As for my goals , I'm looking to drop some BF and replace it with lean muscle. I have my routine and diet ready to go.