Thread: Tren Causing Elevated Estradiol Levels (An explanation)

Originally Posted by DigitalAsh

Except that you have no studies, and the ones that exist contradict you. If you'd like to test it yourself, go run 400mg tren a week by itself, and get your estro tested, and be amazed when it is almost zero (on REAL tren that is). Tren doesn't aromatize, burning fat does not release noticeable amounts of estro (estrogen would be metabolized in a matter of hours with no ester anyway, not hang around forever showing up on blood tests), and taking tren will stop your hormone production naturally so no estrogen. Cite some studies or some proof of some kind brotther or this is just broscience

Gotta side with DA on this.

There are exceptions to every rule, and, at best, steroids are voodoo because of the different effects it has on any given physiology, but in general, tren = low estrogen. end of story.

If your estro increases while on tren, I'd say that you are not using tren. you just don't know it.

But that brings up another point - tren has such a unmistakable fingerprint, how could you mistake a substitute for tren? If you are using tren, you know it.


Anyway, I spent more hours pouring over official government studies than I care to recount. The drug is highly documented - just not for humans. And I gotta tell you - the government spent an ass load of money and recruited some impeccable expertise in an effort to fully understand trenbolone's effect on bovine. And from everything I read, the effects on bovine are echoed in humans. And estro in cattle treated with trenbolone has always been a concern. Hence, the new fina formula that at one time contained on trenbolone acetate, now contains estrogen as well.

A side note: the government studies are dry reading, but very interesting none-the-less. They are buried deep in the archives of the department of agriculture and take an effort to find, but they are there. And elsewhere too, but mostly in the archives.

At first I simply didn't get it, and didn't care to. Why such an interest by the government?

And then I had an epiphany.

From the cattle industries viewpoint it is all about feed efficiency: how much weight gain per dollar spent on feed. Why does it matter? Money.

An untreated cow goes to slaughter weighing approx. 500 lbs. The same cow, saturated with tren meets its maker weighing a whopping 750 lbs.

So you are a texas cattleman. You have, say, 5000 head of cattle that will sell for, let's say (for the sake of example) $1.00 a pound. Normally, that would net you 2,500,000.00. The same cattle, treated with trenbolone, will net you 3,750,000.00. And increase in profit of 1,250,000.00 - 50%.

Real easy math that makes sense.


But like I said, I suddenly had a moment of clarity in which all the government studies and the money spent made sense. even beyond the cattle industry.

National security.

Every country with a large population fears food shortage. And over history, famines and food shortages have caused wars, military coups, changes in government, etc., etc. And in this country, beef is a primary staple of our diet.

To put this in real perspective, you have to look at some of the things that occurred during the cold war. Even today, Russia has problems feeding it's population. When they were the soviet union, president reagan and the CIA kept the USSR in check by holding the precious wheat we had, the wheat the USSR so desperately needed to feed its masses, hostage. Using it as a trump card. And, this strategy turned out to be more effective at controlling and containing the USSR than the nuclear deterrent, even. It brought them to the negotiation table time and time again when they would have otherwise chosen to fight.

So trenbolone actually became a consideration to the security of this country. I mean, has anyone else but me ever wondered why it is that anyone can get on the internet and order steroids legally (or, semi legally, anyway). The two steroid products that the cattle industry has been most dependent on, synovex and fina, have always, and always will be, exempt from the controlled substance rules and regulations. The government has seen to it. What's more, they have exempted them from any type of veterinary involvement as well in order to make procuring and using the products as easy and as affordable as possible.

And today, me, you and everyone else can get on the internet and order trenbolone all nicely and commercially packaged. No background check, no ID.....nothing.

Go figure.

But dude, you really need to quit saying trenbolone increase estro levels. That's just bad info.

Debates are healthy here...no need to get heated, I learned a lot from this thread about Tren and thanks Texson for posting up all that valuable historic information...using Tren to beef up cattle, never knew that. Will be doing more research into this now...very interesting to say the least. I didn't think that yes Tren is a 19-nor and Caber or Prami are recommended for prolactin control, not an AI which would control E2...but stacked with Test where it works best yes and AI is needed to control E2 levels. None the less...don't delete this thread, let's keep it alive for educational purposes.

MA

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