Thread: Tren Causing Elevated Estradiol Levels (An explanation)

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Good.stuff Brother.Zewi!.I love.Tren. Its one of my favorites. This.answeredA lot questions.I had in.regards.to.fat burning.and the.estro. Thanks.bro!

Nice write up bro...that Tren/Mast combo is killer, and even being off that cycle and on a cruise for the last 6 weeks the condition I obtained from my cycle is still prevalent, and easily managed with proper nutrition. I love Proviron, 50mg a day is perfect! Also use an AI due to running test with it, also Caber to control prolactin. Tren is one of my favorites, will incorporate into most of my cycles.
This is good information! Thanks!

MA

Something isn't making a whole lotta sense here. And when things don't make sense, it means you don't have all the facts.

Tren is a 19-nor. One of the biggest reasons tren only cycles are discouraged is because of tren's adverse effect on estro levels - they become almost unacceptably low, and estrogen is needed in the mass gaining process for various reasons.



This is an excerpt from a profile I recently wrote on trenbolone:

Another reason trenbolone should be stacked with other compounds is because of estradiol issues. Not only does trenbolone not convert into estradiol (aromatise), but at the same time, it suppresses the body’s natural production of testosterone which is the source of estradiol in men. This means that a user may actually experience an unacceptable decrease in estrogen levels that can lead to problems with libido, joints and mood. Stacking trenbolone with another steroid that has a high estrogen conversion rate will prevent this situation. HCG and other compounds can be used during the cycle to prevent estrogen related issues.

And it is for these reasons that the two best steroids to stack with trenbolone are are the kings of estro conversion - anadrol and dianabol.


And, there are other estrogen related considerations when using trenbolone. Read on.....

Trenbolone is frequently blamed for causing of gyno even though there is no direct evidence supporting this allegation. This notion may be the result of findings from studies performed on bovine. The studies indicate that trenbolone has a strong affinity for binding with the progestine receptor, a trait also found with nandrolone but to a lesser degree. Trenbolone itself binds to the receptor with about 60% the actual effectiveness as progesterone (the female sex hormone) itself. In its active metabolite form, 17beta-trenbolone, its ability to bind is even stronger than progesterone’s. Even though this is the case, the fact remains that trenbolone’s progestational influence within humans is simply too insignificant to support the idea that the compound causes gyno.

It may be plausible, though, to consider the possibility that trenbolone has an indirect influence in some gyno cases, for example: trenbolone has an exceptional ability to bind with the progestine receptor. Progesterone is believed to enhance estrogen’s stimulation of mammary gland growth. It may be through this estrogenic enhancement that trenbolone, when used with other aromatizable compounds such as dianabol, could possibly contribute to gyno. Again, there is no direct evidence to support this theory.

In trenbolone's metabolite form, it becomes a powerful progestine. What this means is that trenbolone has a notorious ability to make the estrogen you DO have even more prone to cause gyno. But make no mistake - trenbolone itself does not cause gyno.



About the fat burning properties....

The main reasons trenbolone burns fat as effectively as it does is because: 1) its incredible nutrient partitioning properties, and 2 ) its high androgen ratio rating (500 vs. testosterones 100). All androgens promote fat loss so what would you expect from the most androgenic of all injectibles?


Again, another excerpt......

As a cutting steroid, trenbolone is second to none. This can be attributed to its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning. In the cattle industry, trenbolone has been proven highly effective at converting food into lean mass without increasing fat composition. In fact, studies show that trenbolone was actually almost too effective in this regard – treated cattle were almost too lean.

Another factor that contributes to trenbolone’s fat burning abilities is that is has such a high androgen ratio (ability to bind to the androgen receptor). Like muscle tissue, fat cells contain androgen receptors which, when stimulated by androgens, promote fat burning. The stronger the androgen’s ability to bind, the greater the effect is on fat burning.

And yet another reason trenbolone excels at fat loss is because of its anti-cortisol properties. Trenbolone binds quite well with the glucocorticoid receptor which allows it to decreases blood corticosteroid levels, making the steroid highly anti-catabolic. This also allows it to reduce subcutaneous water retention.

As a glucocorticoid (cortisol antagonist), trenbolone ranks well above all other mass gaining AAS’s.


I suspect that trenbolone's amazing ability to burn fat while at the same time prevent the creation of new fat is the reason the cattle industry adjusted the fina formula to contain estrogen. The addition of the estrogen would cause the cattle to gain even more weight in the form of fattier body compositions. In the cattle industry, weight is everything. And Texas, my friend, is cattle country.

Anyway, I hope this sheds some light on trenbolone in regards to estrogen and fat burning. This is not a board I normally post on anymore but I do drop in from time to time to reply to pm's (as was the case today) and I happen to notice this thread. I do a lot of research on steroids for the purpose of writing profiles and by far, trenbolone took more research than any other steroid I have studied. A hell of a lot more. Mainly because more is written about this magic elixir than any other compound - which is strange because aside from parabolan's extremely brief market appearance, trenbolone has never been approved for human consumption; therefore you don't have the plethora of official scientific and medical studies that you have on every other compound. All the documentation for tren is basically user first hand accounts and bro science. Nothing official...that is, except for the bovine industry. Anyhow, in all my ventures to document trenbolone, I have never ran across a true account of the hormone causing an increase in estro levels. Not saying you are wrong, because the body is an amazing apparatus, for sure, but really - I don't buy it. It doesn't make sense to me and my guess is that I don't know the whole story. But, whatever. Life is too short.

And, while I'm here, shout out to my homies: JM, Braw, Smooth, Joker, Big Boss, Hard At It, boltbreaker, bronco, R92, christopherm, Gator, Pain, German, toppjimie, jshredz, misterb, 4everstrong, georgiaboi, ,izzou, hybrid, jb3, greengorilla, superwally, rippedgolfer, superdave,hybrid, sensitivenips, sofargone (you two homos), swinging away, vino1, zipper lock bag, that ugly ass tower dude, mountain monster (whaddup?), beanlicker, 2nd2no1 and all the rest of you (tired of typing).

smoove, again, thanks for the shirt, brother. would stay and chat but - oh my, look at the time.

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Originally Posted by DigitalAsh

I think it is more likely that your AI was no good, that you got improperly made tren from the new pellets and the estrogen was not removed, or your tren was actually not all tren, but also contained some other AAS that aromatizes heavily, giving the appearance of having more tren than it really contained for less price.

Yeah, DA. That thought occurred to me - bunk tren. He got sold a bill of goods. It's not uncommon for people to pass off test p for tren a, but whatever he used, it aromatized. a lot.

like i said, when things don't make sense, it is because you don't know the whole story.

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