Keeping cycle going to maintain muscle on Phentermine

[justlikemusic]

I am 10 weeks into a 500mg/200mg Test E/Deca cycle and had put on just over 4kg (9lbs) over the first 7 weeks, mostly eating slightly over maintenance. I'm pretty happy with my muscle size and realized that at about 20% BF I'm "too fat to cycle" and eat without being guilty. For the past three weeks I've been really cutting down my calories. About week 9 I slowed my carbs and was still consuming 200g of Protein. At week 10 I started reducing my calories even more and at week 11 I started duromine and have really cut my total food intake. I am really impressed with my results and want to keep this up. It seems by losing fat and still training hard, my muscles are becoming more defined and actually look bigger, even though they are probably getting slightly smaller.

After 10 weeks I have now stopped the Deca and am pinning 1.2ml (250mg Test E) E4D which is about 525mg/week. I want to do a bit of a "cycle" of Duromine whilst being on gear. I am considering running the Test E for a total of 14 weeks (which gives me in theory approximately 16 weeks of "anti-catabolic" state). So this will give me about 6 weeks all up on Duromine (30mg/day).

1. Should I start lowering my Test dose after 12 weeks down to 400mg/300mg to make transition to PCT easier? Will it be easier on a lower dose?
2. Because PCT will start 6 weeks after the last Deca pin, would I (or should I) still be able to use Nolvadex together with Clomid for my PCT?
3. I have some Clenbuterol which I will run off cycle. Is it ok to run this throughout PCT? Or should I wait until a month PCT is done?
4. During PCT when I am "shut down", what will this exactly mean in regards to getting an erection (and if that is a problem, would viagra assist?) or being able to ejaculate? I've googled the hell out of this but I can't seem to find anything about being shut down DURING PCT, only whilst on cycle or deca only cycles etc.

[deeznuts]

1. Youre shut down anyway, doesnt matter if youre coming off 2g or 200mg. Keep the test at 500 per week. Its easier to just pull straight ml's rather than 1.2, so just do 1ml 2x during the week.

2. Myself and alot of guys prefer to run clomid and aromasin - aromasin will KILL the estro and there'll be no rebound when you stop it. Clomid 50/50/50/50 aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 every day. You might need to extend another two weeks but only bloods will be able to tell.

3. Better just to wait till youre all recovered.

4. Alot of the time ed problems in pct are mental. Only sides i got was libido was down for a couple days towards the end of the 2 weeks off.. Could still get the job done and no problems with finishing.

Just make sure you keep smashing the pct. you need to eat a fair bit to hold onto your gains i find. And as long as your smashing the clomid and aromasin, your nuts and libido should bounce back well. Get bloods done at 8 weeks after you START your pct. i also run D aspartic acid and DIM when im on pct - daa helps increase natural test and dim helps reduce estrogen. A bloke on another forum was only using daa/dim - no gear, for about 6 weeks and it put his natural teat level RIGHT at the top of the scale, i think its 32 or something. Boosted him up from about 20. Not sure if i can link because its on another board



PERSONALLY - i wouldnt bother running the duromine. Its a POS drug in my opinion.
how many times have you cycled before? You could come off now and pct and then when youre ready run 250mg test and 350mg tren ace for 12 weeks, if you control your diet and do some cardio you will see some HUGE results. Test/tren and clen/t3 is in my opinion the ULTIMATE run for a 'beginner' user.

[Tigar]

Lol , if you had read his posts you wouldn't advise him to take tren.
hes a high risk of commiting a massacre.

[Thappy]

I suggest a long term cycle of seeing a shrink. Its like speaking to a brick wall.

[Tigar]

I suggest a long term cycle of seeing a shrink. Its like speaking to a brick wall.

As long as he reports back here everyday and posts I'm happy with that.

[Clutch7]

PERSONALLY - i wouldnt bother running the duromine. Its a POS drug in my opinion.
how many times have you cycled before? You could come off now and pct and then when youre ready run 250mg test and 350mg tren ace for 12 weeks, if you control your diet and do some cardio you will see some HUGE results. Test/tren and clen/t3 is in my opinion the ULTIMATE run for a 'beginner' user.

personally... I highly discourage your "advice". Test and tren is NOT the regimen for a beginner. I don't run tren because I'm not fully comfortable with it yet.. I've seen dudes run tren who want to commit suicide because psychologically they're not ok in the head and that's something to never play around with. Before you ever encourage someone to run a compound as strong as tren, get a little more info. Not trying to be a dick either- but I get tired of seeing advice like this.

[deeznuts]

personally... I highly discourage your "advice". Test and tren is NOT the regimen for a beginner. I don't run tren because I'm not fully comfortable with it yet.. I've seen dudes run tren who want to commit suicide because psychologically they're not ok in the head and that's something to never play around with. Before you ever encourage someone to run a compound as strong as tren, get a little more info. Not trying to be a dick either- but I get tired of seeing advice like this.

I meant 'beginner' as in, beginner tren cycle aka first time using tren. 350mg of tren a is a small dose and i understand that people can have bad reactions to it - as is possible with ANY other compound, even test. Being the acetate ester though, is the safe bet because if you notice within the first week or possibly even two weeks that you are one who is susceptible to negative sides you can drop the tren and a few days later you should be good again.

it's not like i reccommended he boot 900mg tren E..

Where do you draw the line on when it is acceptable to run tren? You never know how your body is going to react to it before you try it - it soesnt matter if you've run two cycles or twenty two cycles. You wont personally know until you try it, and 350mg is a good starting point imo.


maybe i shouls have been a bit clearer with my wording in regards to it being a 'beginner tren cycle' not a 'beginner' cycle, sorry mate.

[justlikemusic]

Thanks deez for your info. I want to post a reply when I get on my PC and off the phone.

[Clutch7]

All good brother. I honestly can't answer your question because I don't know... It's just a very strong drug and if you play with fire you might just Get burned as they say. Tren is for the advanced user in which I don't believe this guy is by his questions.

[justlikemusic]

Definately a beginner user, and as Tigar mentioned, I'm quite messed up at the moment mentally. I've stopped the Duromine but my brain still seems really "psycho" for lack of a better word. I think the Test (and my current sex life) is causing me alot of the issues so I might go back down to slightly over a TRT dose for 4 weeks and see if things change. I just spent 30 mins bonking the mrs and then she had some problems "getting there" so she made me stop. She blames it on needing to wee afterwards and says we can go again and then 30 minutes later shes tired and wants to go to sleep. Now its 11pm and I'm wondering whether I should be printing divorce papers or buying another gun again. Im sure I was never like this before lol... it's either I've cracked over doing this (probably stopping 6 times out of 20 roots) after getting none for 6 months, or the Test or Duromine has fcked me up. I slept every night I had Duromine and it was only for like six days.

Guys like Tigar might like to joke about it but its a messed up situation to be in and I'm trying to get off as quick as possible now to fix myself up. I dont want to stop because I just finished the Deca.