My Next Cycle , like to hear some thoughts

**kubes** · 02-16-2014, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Khem

I've never taken labs on cycle. I have since switched to low test + high androgen cycles, so I guess I'll never see how high my estro was.

@ Mick - I don't mind taking caber, it has a lot of sexual positives and its very well tolerated. You could take it or you could just keep it on hand, its up to you. Keep it low if you take it, probably start at .5mg e3d and see if that's enough, it probably will be in most applications. The Aromasin, yes you run it through your PCT, and then just continue running it ED until you start your next cycle. I have seen many guys who ran Aromasin indefinitely, and test with 1000ng/dl + levels. It is really good, and extremely well tolerated. If you're a cycler, there is no reason not to run it. Also, its going to be useful ON cycle in-case you have bloat side effects, or feel like running it anyway.. You could just keep running it, through cycle, through PCT, bridge, through next cycle, and so on. I wouldn't even attempt these recommendations with any other AI or anti-prolactins.

and i see nothing wrong with low test and higher androgen cycles either. It creats a lot less estrogen sides. However i forgot to mention that if you are administering hcg during the cycle to maintain testicular function even on a lower test dose hcg is very commom to cause more aromatization. Many people even on trt test dose of 100-200 mg ew with hcg alongside require an ai to keep there estrogen in check. How much Test do you run on cycle Khem?

**Dick** · 02-16-2014, 09:05 PM

Ok awesome thanks , I am going to get me some Aromasin and keep Caber on stand by just in case. How much Aromasin should one take? Do I even need to take the Clomid or Nolva if using Aromasin? Thanks again bro's !

**kubes** · 02-16-2014, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by MickECV

Ok awesome thanks , I am going to get me some Aromasin and keep Caber on stand by just in case. How much Aromasin should one take? Do I even need to take the Clomid or Nolva if using Aromasin? Thanks again bro's !

Clomid and nolva would be the serms you use for pct and aromasin is for on cycle to keep circulating estrogen lower. Start out with the aromasin at 12.5 mg ed

**animal87** · 02-16-2014, 09:07 PM

I start taking 12.5 mg everyday a few weeks after starting the cycle. It takes a little while for my estrogen to get up high enough to need it

**Khem** · 02-16-2014, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by kubes

and i see nothing wrong with low test and higher androgen cycles either. It creats a lot less estrogen sides. However i forgot to mention that if you are administering hcg during the cycle to maintain testicular function even on a lower test dose hcg is very commom to cause more aromatization. Many people even on trt test dose of 100-200 mg ew with hcg alongside require an ai to keep there estrogen in check. How much Test do you run on cycle Khem?

Next run is only gonna be 300mg. I was gonna run 400mg but I think I want to run even less. hell I might end up going to 200 I havent decided lol

**Dick** · 02-16-2014, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by kubes

Clomid and nolva would be the serms you use for pct and aromasin is for on cycle to keep circulating estrogen lower. Start out with the aromasin at 12.5 mg ed

Awesome thanks a lot man!! Damn I love this forum.

**kubes** · 02-16-2014, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Khem

Next run is only gonna be 300mg. I was gonna run 400mg but I think I want to run even less. hell I might end up going to 200 I havent decided lol

I know some guys running 150 test ew and blasting the tren and masteron at much higher doses like 700 ew

**Khem** · 02-16-2014, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by kubes

I know some guys running 150 test ew and blasting the tren and masteron at much higher doses like 700 ew

Yeah the more I think about it the less test I want to run.. I'm just not decided until its time to pin!! hahaha

**kubes** · 02-16-2014, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Khem

Yeah the more I think about it the less test I want to run.. I'm just not decided until its time to pin!! hahaha

I hear you brother i have always liked the way i feel on bigger doses of test but after running some lower dose test cycles with higher amounts of other compounds i really like the dry lean look that's is easier to obtain on the lower test dose

**Rooroo** · 02-16-2014, 09:56 PM

I was able to run gear for a few years without running any Ai's . At Least I was not suffering from sides that I could feel or see but like Kubes mentioned I'm quite sure my estro was elevated to unhealthy levels .
All of a sudden I started getting the typical negative sides that comes from AAS (gyno ,BP , acne) and realized quickly I better get a handle on this and educate my dumb ass a lot more !
I try to to talk guys I know into running Aromasin for the exact reason Khem mentioned . It's basically the holy grail for combating estrogen and as a great pct drug and it doesn't fuck with your lipids the way Adex does . That's a big deal for bodybuilders who either stay on or run heavy cycles IMO .
Another great reply from Khem , Kubes and Animal!! I fricken love how u guys may see things a little differently but treat each other with such respect ! I think by our nature (bodybuilders , power lifters ) we all have above average egos but u guys do such a great job of checking those things at the door . We are going to have arguments but as long as we act like men and don't hold a grudge we will continue to be the board we are!!