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    Thread: Caber Necessary?????

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      Thats funny you mention that i was just thinking to myself how crazy it was as time goes by with all the new studies and research how standard protocols change, I remember my first cycle it was Nolva on cycle was the standard protocol

      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmyinkedup View Post
      If someone got gyno on cycle (any cycle) my immediate advice is as follows:
      1- Get blood work
      2- If e2 is elevated up your ai dose to mange it
      3- Take raloxifene immediately (if you have tamoxifen take that but ralox is the best choice)
      If you have true gyno, caber in no way will make it go away. If you have symptomology of gyno beginning it may lower them but you are not treating the source issue. Its like guarding a castle you wanna guard the door or are you gonna eave the door open and guard the rest of the castle. If you want real world medical evidence of the same circumstance: risperadal causes gyno by increased prl which suppresses T production and shifts androgen / estrogen ratio. What do they use to treat it? Ralox or Tamox, not caber or prami
      You can lower prolactin all you want, if you have true gyno, it will do nothing.
      Again all good if you disagree.

      As far as dopamine agonists Im not trying to cry wolf, Im just saying it is prudent to use only as needed and easy to keep using when you dont. Even slight periods of increased dopamine cause psychological effects upon cessation.
      Again all good if we have differing opinions man.

      Oh btw I sould add, I realized I look like some studies geek here so far with my limited posts. I have lived this lifestyle for over 20 years. I come from the days when estrogen management was clomid on cycle, then it was nolva and proviron and finallhy ai's came mainstream. I dont give advice unless I have experience with it and if I do I preface it by saying so and so has said (like I have above). I have gotten gyno when I got bunk ai from a crappy rc company (after 17 years in the game avoiding it). I caught it early and used raloxifene, it took care of it . The cycle was a lower dose test high dose deca cycle with some winny in the mix. My point- I dont just post study BS, I walk the walk and share experience based opinions. Just felt given most posts have been studies etc that should be said.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Largerthannormal View Post
      Thats funny you mention that i was just thinking to myself how crazy it was as time goes by with all the new studies and research how standard protocols change, I remember my first cycle it was Nolva on cycle was the standard protocol
      Yeah in my area clomid came around first and it was on cycle to try to stave off e2 sides (which it isnt near the best serm to do that ) but then it was nolva from Dan Duchaine, then Mick Hart started saying Nolva Provrion and everyone was doing that. Finally Ai's came in. Thats why I have mellowed in my posting and arguing. I realize the very thing I will swear is fact could very well be totally different 5 years from now. There was a time I would have said nolva and prov was the best e2 management you could get, boy was I wrong! LOL

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmyinkedup View Post
      Yeah in my area clomid came around first and it was on cycle to try to stave off e2 sides (which it isnt near the best serm to do that ) but then it was nolva from Dan Duchaine, then Mick Hart started saying Nolva Provrion and everyone was doing that. Finally Ai's came in. Thats why I have mellowed in my posting and arguing. I realize the very thing I will swear is fact could very well be totally different 5 years from now. There was a time I would have said nolva and prov was the best e2 management you could get, boy was I wrong! LOL
      I am yet to find anyone educated around me locally who knows anything who are all on cycles. I never tell anyone anything what i know or do besides on here just for a safety standpoint. I do sometimes feel bad i keep my knowledge to myself in real life but its for my own good. It is amazing the amount of stupid things i hear people do witch certain chems and hormones or thier attempts at gyno reversal or how small they get when they come off and they look the same 3 -4 years later and still going hard in the gym. most do more damage than good. I admit i when i started was no where near perfect either. Hence why i still come back to the boards!

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      ok so I am stil very confused I am on a tren /prop.var cycle and I am taking exemestane 12.5 eod .now with do I still need caber or promi ? and if so how do I find caber that is ggod if the liquid form isn't as stable as u say . so how do we go from there ? I sorta of understand the thread and the difference from gyno to high prolactin . but everyone goes back to the same low e no gyno no matter what right if in check ? forgive my not understanding but this is way above my head

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      Personally never used caber, however I use prami on any tren cycle. Never had any gyno problems from tren the main reason for using prami is I find for me personally it Greatly reduces the mental side effects of tren which are a result of low dopamine due to elevated prolactin, the mood swings, anger and over all shit feeling tren brings can be substantially reduced with the use of prami. Any one else find this?

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      I must be one of the lucky ones I feel great on tren just angry all the time lol

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      Quote Originally Posted by draconian2014 View Post
      ok so I am stil very confused I am on a tren /prop.var cycle and I am taking exemestane 12.5 eod .now with do I still need caber or promi ? and if so how do I find caber that is ggod if the liquid form isn't as stable as u say . so how do we go from there ? I sorta of understand the thread and the difference from gyno to high prolactin . but everyone goes back to the same low e no gyno no matter what right if in check ? forgive my not understanding but this is way above my head
      Prolactin exists in breast tissue as well as estrogen. Signs of this can be lactation, and some have experienced a prolactin induced gyno. Nandrolones (tren/deca) increase prolactin levels. To combat this rise, caber/prami/bromo can be used. Again, good to have on hand if sensitive to prolactin. Also, as the other replier mentioned, the added benefits of the PI (like that just made it up) tend to help with other unwanted sides like deca dick or tren insomnia/anxiety.

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      Cabergoline is a dopamine agonist. Dopamine has a positive effect on your libido. That's why drugs like Wellbutrin, a Dopamine re-uptake inhibitor, make you horny. Dopamine also inhibits the secretion of prolactin. Prolactin weakens your sex drive and causes the development of milk-sodden man-boobies.

      I've never used wellbutrin for the specific purpose of inhibiting prolactin, but I imagine it would probably work given an appropriate dose. Plus, it's easy to get. Just walk into your doctors office and tell him that you're sad.

      note: please take the previous statement with a grain of salt. I'm just spitballing.

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