First Cycle Stack!

**j.boogie** · 07-08-2014, 06:17 AM

I was wondering if someone could create me a good beginner Cutting stack for trimming fast. I have been researching a few product for about a year now and do understand the way some products work, but still would love information from those who been around the block longer.
I'm 6'3 245 with about 14-17% bf. I played D1 Football so I am no stranger to the gym. My eating habit is never aproblem when its time to tighten up. I love cardio. (insanity,p90x,Focus T25 on a regular)

I was looking for a test-E cycle with a nice cutting supp and arimidex during cycle. If someone could lay out a nice beginner cycle and post cycle for me that would be awesome.
Thanks

**kubes** · 07-08-2014, 08:17 AM

Steroids do not dictate cutting or bulking nutrition does. With that said there are some steroids that really show what they are doing the leaner you are and some that make some hold more water than others. You can't really go wrong with test e. if you haven't cycled then test e alone with a good nutrition plan will make a good cut

**cowboy up** · 07-08-2014, 12:32 PM

Kubes gives great advice and I agree with him 100% on this. I'm sure if you've been reading up on everything as you stated you know for 1st cycle everyone is going to suggest a test only cycle. The reason for this is to make sure to how your body reacts to it. With a single compound if issues arise you will know how to combat it vs if your a 1st time user and use multiple aas and have sides you won't necessarily know which is causing the sides. More is not always better. Diet and how you work out will dictate what type of gains or losses you have not aas. 1st cycle typically suggested is this-

1-12 Test E 500 per week split into 2 shots ( Some guys may suggest 10 weeks but in my opinion 12 is a good start as Test E is a long ester and takes a while to get going.)
.25 Adex EOD ( You can always adjust this depending on if sides arise)

My 1st was along the same lines as above but threw in DBol for the 1st 4 weeks for a kickstart.

**Clark Kent** · 07-08-2014, 01:13 PM

Totally agree with both of these guys! Your appetite may surge like you have never experienced making it hard not to just eat all the time so you may need some type of suppressant or fat burner to curb that a bit. Keep us posted but the test e @ 500 mgs split is a great first cycle!

**ozzy69** · 07-08-2014, 07:54 PM

Want to get cut......chain yourself to the stepmill......don't touch a carb....

**j.boogie** · 07-09-2014, 06:55 AM

Powerful information guys. I will do that. Thank you. I definitley do not have a problem changing up my eating habit. Ive done a few CBL phases with intermittent fasting with very very low Carb and high proteins and some fats. Saw awesome results. I will do that. Huge thanks. And .25 Adex im guessing will be for A.I. Only thing I didnt see was Post cycle information. And in my opinion that is the most important part for me. Ive heard clomid and nolvedex together and some say just clomid. What would you guys prefer and how long. One other question. I am a HIIT addict. Will Test-E have a negative affect on my cardio.
Thanks again

**crush** · 07-09-2014, 02:06 PM

Yeah props to Kubes. To many people get confused about this. The most important item in weight loss is nutrition. There are products that will boost your metabolism and help you burn fat, but your intake of good quality food is going to be the kicker. If this is your first go round, then I agree with only Test E or C with aromisin or adex for 10-12 wks and Nova for pct to help with any rebounding estrogen and get your natural test levels back. Drop your carb intake and up your protein using whole food. And of course, work your tail off in the gym. The test will not affect your cardio, and I use nolva for Pct. I dont like the way clomid makes me feel, but thats just me everyone's different. I've had great results running nolva at......3 days after last test shot.....40 mgs for 2 wks, then drop to 20 mgs for week 3 and 10mg for week 4 to protect against rebounding estrogen and help natural test levels come back up. Mind you that ok m also running other products with the test so you'll have to find out what works for you...Good luck brother!!!!!!!!

**cowboy up** · 07-09-2014, 03:48 PM

^^^3 days after last pin would be too early to start PCT with long ester like E or C. Give it at least a week more like 2 to give time for the test to clear your system before starting PCT. Like stated above Nolva would be fine. Most run it 40/40/20/20.

**bostonlabrat** · 07-10-2014, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by j.boogie

Powerful information guys. I will do that. Thank you. I definitley do not have a problem changing up my eating habit. Ive done a few CBL phases with intermittent fasting with very very low Carb and high proteins and some fats. Saw awesome results. I will do that. Huge thanks. And .25 Adex im guessing will be for A.I. Only thing I didnt see was Post cycle information. And in my opinion that is the most important part for me. Ive heard clomid and nolvedex together and some say just clomid. What would you guys prefer and how long. One other question. I am a HIIT addict. Will Test-E have a negative affect on my cardio.
Thanks again

Id hate to say it bro, but this is a decision you are going to have to make for yourself, but what I can say is when you make it and it works out, or it doesn't work out and you figure out steps to correct it, you will be happy and more confident in how you approach this stuff and learn what does and doesn't work for YOU. I personally don't touch nolva because *for me personally* the studies done on strange toxicity to various systems (despite the fact they are done over much longer horizons and doses, which make them orders of magnitude removed from our purposes, it is how *I* choose to interpret the info, see my point?), and interactions/up-regulations in nolva that keep me with clomid. What started this preference? My intuition, I figured, well clomid is a drug is actually used by Dr's to jumpstart fertility in both sexes, and the mechanism by which it does so is mostly understood, where as nolva's effect is more of a side effect, so it must be the better choice! Was my intuition wrong? No because I still prefer clomid after digesting more info (and trying nolva), is the reason I use clomid different now then it was? Yes, I just didn't have all the info so I was misguided in why I choose it. Read absolutely everything you can with this stuff, literally there is never a point you know enough. I now use torem and clomid for PCT, HCG starting 3 weeks before pct. I now use Aromasin when on cycle (I feel like adex its too easy to kill all estrogen with small dosage manipulations) but only when I need it, I know because my socks start leaving a small imprint in my legs where the elastic is when I take them off, I picked up on this small sign that means I'm starting to hold water. You will pick up on stuff like that too that will be totally different from mine, be alert! I will be honest with you, a lot of guys use no pct at all, this shocked me to learn, and some of them are fine despite me wanting to find something wrong (I have seen bloods!), I don't endorse this and would never do it myself, but now you see the way this all works (I know guys who claim to use pct but dont! they think they will get flamed on the message boards if they admit it!)
I think the test E twice per week at 250mg per admin is the best first cycle if I had to choose something that worked for the most people. I added a kickstart of 3 weeks of test prop, I think this is a good idea for people because honestly it gets them pinning and they get over the fear quicker and are less likely to make a dumb mistake due to nerves if they repeat it in close succession at first, thats how everything in life is, but it may scare some guys off. But that is personal too, some guys dont endorse it because prop can leave painful injects sometimes, and new guys should focus on one thing.
Im not at all going against kubes from what I have read the dude knows his shit and puts in work its obvious, but I personally think if I went back to my first and had your goals, I would finish with 5 weeks of anavar, not that you should, thats a decision I would have made, I dont think it would have harmed me any but it may be a terrible idea for you, only you will know. Steroids themselves are never going to make anyone lean, it is all diet, but absolutely nutrient partitioning and androgen receptor activation effects the ratio of fat to lean mass you carry. Google "Androgen receptor lipolysis" (to jump start your research there's a search term) yourself bro and try and decide yourself how much or little you think a role it plays in getting lean, then watch yourself while on and see if you were about right or a little off and adjust what you know! I know this is stupidly long winded but hopefully you see what I am getting at? You kind of have to take the leap on what you understand most and build from there. Sometimes what you know will be totally wrong, when it is learn.

**j.boogie** · 07-11-2014, 05:51 AM

Makes alot of Sense. Thank you all for the awesome information. This is by far the Best Forum I have ever been on. Great people awesome information. I will start with Test-E and run a Log for this. I am very excited!