Progestogenic sides

[gamemania]

I'm on NPP and Prop atm. Not on any ancillaries as I prefer to use them only if issues arise.

Just read PAiN's excellent sticky on gyno reduction and reversal.

I'm wondering about prolactin related gyno. I assume the sides are increased areola size and lactation. Lactation will be very apparent but I can't imagine detecting an increase in the size of my areolas.

So If I develop gyno related symptoms, do I just jump on the letro? Should I use prami/caber and if so, how do I use it along side letro? What if I am uncertain if there is prolactin related gyno (no apparent increase in areola size and no lactation)?

Also, what is the general consensus on prami vs caber?


Thanks guys!

[Hatefactory]

I'm on NPP and Prop atm. Not on any ancillaries as I prefer to use them only if issues arise.

Just read PAiN's excellent sticky on gyno reduction and reversal.

I'm wondering about prolactin related gyno. I assume the sides are increased areola size and lactation. Lactation will be very apparent but I can't imagine detecting an increase in the size of my areolas.

So If I develop gyno related symptoms, do I just jump on the letro? Should I use prami/caber and if so, how do I use it along side letro? What if I am uncertain if there is prolactin related gyno (no apparent increase in areola size and no lactation)?

Also, what is the general consensus on prami vs caber?


Thanks guys!

I'm pretty lucky because I don't seem to get prolactin related sides. From what I understand prami is a cheaper alternative to caber, and caber is really only worth while if it's pharm grade. Also prami is more stable in liquid as opposed to caber which only has like a 2-3 week shelf life in liquid

[Largerthannormal]

You should at least be on an AI brother, you need to manage your E2, estrogen is indirectly related to prolcatin. controlling your E2 you will have a very minimal chance of any type of gyno related issues.

High E can cause many other issues as well.

Keep caber or prami on hand but in general, manage your E buddy!


( i know some people may give me crap for this but E is what it always comes back too )

[animal87]

NPP on people tend to get less prolat. sides just bc people use it for a shorter time than deca. But I think you should always be on a ai and have caber or prami on hand with 19nor's. If you get gyno and arent already on an ai then letro should take care of it, and if you still need it you can add caber with the letro. If you are already on a ai and get gyno keep taking the ai with the letro for several days to let the letro build up in your system don't just stop your ai for the letro.

Other than that theres not much you can do about gyno except surgery. Once you have it, its there. Thats oe of the many reasons its so important to get blood work and manage your body.

[Largerthannormal]

Yes! and the surgery is no fun let me tell ya

[rocky83]

Once your nipples get really puffy and sensitive, then you know you are on your way to areola enlargement. This is speaking from experience my friend.

[toppjimie]

You have no info about your cycle other than your using test prop & npp.As you know,Testosterone aromatize into Estrogen.,npp is a progestin steroid,which doesn't aromatize into estrogen but instead attaches to the progesterone receptor in the breast.Estrogen takes up the Estrogen receptors also in the breast.NOW.,heres where the lactating and puffy nips come in.,Estrogen increase's the Prolatin,and with your use of npp,it increase's more causing this side effect.This could all have been avoided by blunting the effects with a Aromatose Inhibitor like letro at the start.Start taking caber & Letro and after your cycle take your novadex.If you want to decrease the problem,lower whatever dose NPP your taking.Thats your culprit bro

[gamemania]

This is my 6th cycle and I have never had gyno issues.

But point taken guys. I'm gonna start letro @ 0.25mg ED to be safe.

As I understand it, I should only take prami if I notice lactation and areola enlargement. But if it is just a soreness/sensitivity and a hard lump forming then just up the letro following the gyno reversal protocol.

[Dbolish]

i always use pharm caber with nandrolone. tren i can get away without it

[kubes]

Why are you running letro for your ai? Aromasin or arimidex are much milder. I know some people just prefer letro but you said you have not suffered any Gyno symptoms in the past right?