Prop/ Tren A/ Mast Cycle advice

**cowboy up** · 10-13-2014, 11:20 PM

So cruising right now and will be for the next few months. New at the cruising so question for any brothers that blast and cruise, do any of you run TNE during your cruise?

Also planning next cycle for beginning of the year and thinking about running Test P, Tren A and Mast but have questions on dosage. I've read that some brothers prefer higher test and some prefer higher tren so not sure which way to run it. Planning on running a 8 week cycle then cruising for a couple months and if good results running another 8 weeker. 1st time with tren so figured I'd go with Tren A so if sides get too bad I'll know sooner rather than later.

Planning on pinning EOD. Any more experienced brothers advice would be appreciated!

Thanks

**spoolin** · 10-14-2014, 12:00 AM

I used to pin 500mg test e a week and 300mg tren a until I read about running it the other way around. My experience with running test higher made me hold more water, of course I was a few pounds heavier but didn't look as good as I do running test e at 250mg a week and tren a at 400mg. With tren, it will always dominate test and from what I've learned is that the test is only needed to keep you body functioning properly and that's the dose you want, pin the amount that keeps you near your natural levels and the tren is used for the building. When I did labs trying the cycles this way, I only needed 250mg a week to keep me at ~650, where I naturally stand. I pin the test every 4 days and the tren a every other day. With prop, you would want to pin every other day just as with the tren a. I'm not up on mast yet, so maybe someone else can chime in on that.

**cowboy up** · 10-14-2014, 12:29 AM

So why do you run the long ester with tren a vs prop? Just wondering...

Thanks for the post. Yeah I've seen it both ways but with more leaning to the higher dose of tren and less of test. Thinking that's the way I'll go but want to hear from other brothers experiences too.

**Tekadori** · 10-14-2014, 02:20 AM

Everyone is different, however I only use Tren Ace. My experience with this amazing compound is great for bulking and cutting.

My sweet spot is 450 mg weekly (pinning M,W,F) so that dose never changes.

When bulking my test (long ester) is higher and when cutting my test (short ester/prop) is lower.

It will always be dependent on your goals and also what your body can handle. You mentioned this is your first time on Tren. Start low, maybe 75mg EOD. If its properly dosed Tren, you will see good results. Night sweets and insomnia will be the tell tale sign.

My blast and cruise time is equal, with regular lab work.

**bigmike005** · 10-14-2014, 04:49 PM

Great cycle you are gonna love it. Ran this for my last show. Night sweats insomnia and at higher dose tren put me in a challenging state of mind at times.

**spoolin** · 10-14-2014, 10:57 PM

As Tekadori stated, test e for bulking and prop for more of cutting. One thing is I really don't get much of any sides with tren a. I get the occassional hot flashes and sweat a bit more but as far as insomnia or bad night sweats, it just doesn't seem to happen with me and I know my gear is legit, it's EGH. I could probably up my tren considerably past 400 a week to where I'd get the insomnia and bad night sweats but there is no need to when your gains are still top notch without all the negative sides. With the way I run my cycles, I gain about 1/2 LB a week after things are stable and drop about a 1/4% of bodyfat per week. Which to me would mean the solid muscle gains are probably closer to 1 LB per week. Make sure you eat fairly clean and get a lot of calories and quality protein, I'm typically between 3800 and 4500 calories and 250 to 280 grams of protein per day and I'm 5'8, 207 LBS and around 8% bodyfat. Started this cycle 6 weeks ago at 193 LBS and around 11% bodyfat.

**cowboy up** · 10-15-2014, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by spoolin

As Tekadori stated, test e for bulking and prop for more of cutting. One thing is I really don't get much of any sides with tren a. I get the occassional hot flashes and sweat a bit more but as far as insomnia or bad night sweats, it just doesn't seem to happen with me and I know my gear is legit, it's EGH. I could probably up my tren considerably past 400 a week to where I'd get the insomnia and bad night sweats but there is no need to when your gains are still top notch without all the negative sides. With the way I run my cycles, I gain about 1/2 LB a week after things are stable and drop about a 1/4% of bodyfat per week. Which to me would mean the solid muscle gains are probably closer to 1 LB per week. Make sure you eat fairly clean and get a lot of calories and quality protein, I'm typically between 3800 and 4500 calories and 250 to 280 grams of protein per day and I'm 5'8, 207 LBS and around 8% bodyfat. Started this cycle 6 weeks ago at 193 LBS and around 11% bodyfat.

Thanks for the input. Right now I'm cruising on 200 mg a wk of test c so I guess in all reality I could probably just up that to 200 every 4 days when blasting and not change for the prop and then just add the tren a in at 75 or 100 eod for 8 weeks then go back to cruise dose with test c until ready to blast again. I have var on hand so may just choose to add that in vs the mast for the last 4 wks of the 1st 8 weeker then maybe add mast in for the next run. I'm about your size right now, 5'9 and fluctuate between 205-210 with about 11% bf. I'd like to see a steady 215 with bf around 8-9%.

**cowboy up** · 10-15-2014, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Tekadori

Everyone is different, however I only use Tren Ace. My experience with this amazing compound is great for bulking and cutting.

My sweet spot is 450 mg weekly (pinning M,W,F) so that dose never changes.

When bulking my test (long ester) is higher and when cutting my test (short ester/prop) is lower.

It will always be dependent on your goals and also what your body can handle. You mentioned this is your first time on Tren. Start low, maybe 75mg EOD. If its properly dosed Tren, you will see good results. Night sweets and insomnia will be the tell tale sign.

My blast and cruise time is equal, with regular lab work.

Thanks Tek! Do you run TNE or any pre workout while on your cruise?

**cowboy up** · 10-15-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by bigmike005

Great cycle you are gonna love it. Ran this for my last show. Night sweats insomnia and at higher dose tren put me in a challenging state of mind at times.

Ya have read up on a lot the sides with tren but have weighed out the pros and cons before trying and seems like the pros win! Hoping the challenging state of mind isn't 1 of the sides for me as I already have an aggressive side at times and don't need my wife trying to divorce me over it! LOL