help me manage my estrogen!

**spoolin** · 06-23-2015, 09:01 PM

Make sure you're taking the Aromasin every 12 hours. You may need to bump it up to 20mg twice a day at that high of a cycle run. If the gyno has set in, you'll need to run Letrozole for a bit (without the aromasin) to get the gyno taken care of before going back to the Aromasin. You DO NOT need nolvadex, that's for PCT. Run the Letro like this...

1. Already using an anti-E aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-E*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-E you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-E while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

This is the same protocol I use when I've had gyno flare up and I didn't catch it in time and it works great. I would then go back on Aromasin at a bit higher dose with no further issues. Make sure you are also taking the Aromasin with a meal and eat a tablespoon of pure UNREFINED virgin coconut oil so you have good fats in your system.

I've also been using Blue Sky Aromasin and have bloodwork showing it keeps my estrogen at 10.5, so it's good stuff. Tastes like crap but it's good.

**Loose Cannon** · 06-23-2015, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by spoolin

Make sure you're taking the Aromasin every 12 hours. You may need to bump it up to 20mg twice a day at that high of a cycle run. If the gyno has set in, you'll need to run Letrozole for a bit (without the aromasin) to get the gyno taken care of before going back to the Aromasin. You DO NOT need nolvadex, that's for PCT. Run the Letro like this...

1. Already using an anti-E aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-E*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-E you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-E while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

This is the same protocol I use when I've had gyno flare up and I didn't catch it in time and it works great. I would then go back on Aromasin at a bit higher dose with no further issues. Make sure you are also taking the Aromasin with a meal and eat a tablespoon of pure UNREFINED virgin coconut oil so you have good fats in your system.

I've also been using Blue Sky Aromasin and have bloodwork showing it keeps my estrogen at 10.5, so it's good stuff. Tastes like crap but it's good.

awesome thanks so much for the help. do you recommend going back to my anti e, whatever it may be or staying on letro till pct?

**Loose Cannon** · 06-23-2015, 09:43 PM

i use superior peptide because when i was on the mk 677 it was legit as fuck. id be shocked if their anti e's were not legit as well.

**Loose Cannon** · 06-23-2015, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dont wanna be old

There's a lot of variables that are in play .
Pharma grade vs UGL or Research .
Beginning ratio and BF
Potency of gear
Might not be Estrogen but Progesterone . 1/2 ML means ?
It's all trial and error and even could fluctuate from last cycle depending on source .

DWBO

as soon as i have the caber bottle in hand i will get back to you on that.

**spoolin** · 06-23-2015, 09:52 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't stay on the Letro for any longer than needed to rid the gyno and get things back to normal ranges. If you're able to rid the gyno in time before the PCT, then go back to a higher dose of Aromasin and see how it goes. If the gyno is taking a long time to go completely away, then just stay on the Letro like the protocol states until PCT. It all depends on how your gyno issue goes over the next few weeks.

**animal87** · 06-23-2015, 10:19 PM

armosin or adex if my estro is real bad is what helps me, but if you already have gyno id do whats above and get letro and caber.

I swear when i first saw this title I thought it said 'help me manage my erection" lmao! I was thinking no you are on your own there bud lol.

**spoolin** · 06-23-2015, 11:17 PM

LMFAO

Also be ready for a crashed libido and estrogen while you run the Letro to stop the gyno. It's just part of it that you'll have to deal with for now.

**Dont wanna be old** · 06-24-2015, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

as soon as i have the caber bottle in hand i will get back to you on that.

I'm sending you a few .5mg also
You will have a idea in less than a week if this helps
DWBO

**jack** · 06-24-2015, 02:37 AM

Jesus, so much rubbish outdated information in this thread.

@animal87 what is caber going to do for gyno? YOU cant not get prolactin induced GYNO,

first thing... there is no such thing as "prolactin-induced" gynecomastia. I've heard this one too many times and later in this segment you will understand why. Now, prolactin is another sex hormone and is secreted by the pituitary gland in your brain. Although it's found in both males and females, it's main purpose is for milk production for females. The fact is, males have no use for prolactin that we know of today. Why, God, why?? Anyway, while low levels are not harmful, high levels certainly are

Effects of High Prolactin Levels in Men:

- Adverse Testicular Interference
- Lowers natural testosterone
- Lower sperm count (to infertility levels)
- long term elevation can cause erectile dysfunction (sometimes short term)
- Low Libido
- Breast tenderness
- Male lactation
- Low ejaculate volume

19-Nortestosterone steroid such as nandrolone and Trenbolone can cause prolactin levels to become elevated MAINLY with the presence of excess estrogen. They are NOT a direct cause of high prolactin. While using prolactin inhibiting drugs will resolve issues, your first line of defense is controlling estrogen, as elevated estrogen can boost the effect of prolactin increase. It's not uncommon to prevent prolactin increase with the use of an AI. But the doses of 19-Nor steroids today, may prove that is somewhat ineffective. Leading to the necessity of having a secondary (and direct) compound to combat the effects.

The way it works is entirely complicated and I couldn't even think of a way to put it in laymans terms. But in short, 19-Nor interaction with the estrogen receptors will boost prolactin secretion. This is why it's important to control estrogen first, and prolactin second. Also why I recommend that you have a secondary combat drug "on hand" and in some cases, used on cycle. You might wonder why I say "on hand", since I earlier said that low prolactin is not harmful. Well, these drugs have some fairly heavy side effects and if not used properly can really affect your progress on cycle. So it's OK to wait until needed for the sake of sanity. But I want to emphasize this again... if you have high prolactin and/or lactating, it's a near 100% confirmation that you failed to control your estrogen levels.

**jack** · 06-24-2015, 02:42 AM

Also why would he use nolvadex to lower estrogen? That only stops estrogen forming at receptors in breast tissue, it does not lower circulating estrogen levels as it is not an aromatase inhibitor .

To op are you sure your aromasin is legit. Why dont u get blood work and will go from there? Aromasin is quite a weak Ai and according to new studies should ideally be dosed at least twice per day.