Cycle advice please!!

**Mhayd3** · 06-23-2015, 11:21 PM

Hey guys, so I'm on a tren e/test e cycle running tren at 400mg a week and test e at 300mg a week. I'm halfway through my fourth week and was looking at upping the dosages to 600mg tren e and 500mg test e. The reason I started on a low dose was because I made the rookie error of doing my first tren cycle with tren e instead of acetate. But luckily I've suffered next to no sides (just a few night sweats). What's everyone's thoughts?? Id be running that higher dosage from weeks 5-12, cutting the tren out at week 10. Thoughts? Thanks guys!!

**Th-thanks** · 06-25-2015, 01:38 PM

I see no reason not to up your doses considering you've not experienced much in the way of side effects. If you do get sides, consider lowering the test. I've found that low test with moderate tren is optimal for keeping side effects at a minimum. Remember to keep on top of your estro: you do not want to have elevated estro on tren, trust me on that one mate haha.

**Apex Peptides** · 06-25-2015, 01:54 PM

I too see no reason to increase dosage. What's wrong with having a side effect free cycle? Lol. I'd just be happy there are no side effects popping up and stay on track. You didn't mention your e2 and PRL management protocol. Hopefully, you have these items on hand in case issues do arise.

**PAiN** · 06-26-2015, 07:11 AM

It is really up to you bro. Are you bulking or cutting? Hows It coming along? Are you noticing any changes just starting?

This is really just up to you bro and whatever you think will get you the best benefits that are right for you but if all is going well with gains and sides I'd finish it out as you are. If you think your cycle needs a bit more then try it out for a week or two and see how the upped dosage affects you.

**Mhayd3** · 06-26-2015, 09:56 AM

Hey sorry for the late one guys. Yeah I have adex and caber on hand. Nolva and hcg for pct to. I'm cutting up at the moment, but I'd like to try the higher dosage and just see how it goes. Thanks so much for the advice guys!! My progress is going well, I guess I'm just a little to eager for the gains. I was only wanting to up the dosage after reading about how much tren/test is in the enanthate compounds compared to the quicker acting esters.

**Apex Peptides** · 06-26-2015, 04:11 PM

These are just my opinions...not to be taken as factual

Running HCG during your pct will continue to suppress LH function and possibly hamper recovery. I prefer to run it during cycle and discontinue it during pct. HCG will aid in recovering endogenous T function. It facilitates functionality of leydig cells in the testis even thoguh you are shut down by supraphysiological levels of T whilst cycling . To allow this, ideally HCG should be used at 250iu's-2x/week while on cycle and stopped 3 days pre pct.

I think you should always manage your e2 with an AI like arimidex or aromasin when on cycle. There are many negative effects of elevated estrogen, and not all are physically noticeable. Heart disease, stroke, prostate enlargement and prostate cancer are some that come to mind. The key here is to keep estrogen within normal ranges when "on cycle", not high off the charts and not too low. Too low and we can experience a host of other side effects, from loss of libido, energy, joint problems, anxiety and erectile dysfunction. The only REAL way you're going to accurately determine the efficacy of estrogen management is to have BW done when "on cycle" and taking the AI. Its even better to have BW pulled pre-cycle to have some preexisting data to compare on cycle BW to.

Again...just my .02

**kubes** · 06-26-2015, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Apex Peptides

These are just my opinions...not to be taken as factual

Running HCG during your pct will continue to suppress LH function and possibly hamper recovery. I prefer to run it during cycle and discontinue it during pct. HCG will aid in recovering endogenous T function. It facilitates functionality of leydig cells in the testis even thoguh you are shut down by supraphysiological levels of T whilst cycling . To allow this, ideally HCG should be used at 250iu's-2x/week while on cycle and stopped 3 days pre pct.

I think you should always manage your e2 with an AI like arimidex or aromasin when on cycle. There are many negative effects of elevated estrogen, and not all are physically noticeable. Heart disease, stroke, prostate enlargement and prostate cancer are some that come to mind. The key here is to keep estrogen within normal ranges when "on cycle", not high off the charts and not too low. Too low and we can experience a host of other side effects, from loss of libido, energy, joint problems, anxiety and erectile dysfunction. The only REAL way you're going to accurately determine the efficacy of estrogen management is to have BW done when "on cycle" and taking the AI. Its even better to have BW pulled pre-cycle to have some preexisting data to compare on cycle BW to.

Again...just my .02

This is a great post. I agree the only reason to run hcg after your cycle would be if you didn't run it during your cycle and your failing to recover. Hcg will continue to suppress lh function as it mimics it interrupting the feedback loop

**Mhayd3** · 06-29-2015, 10:12 AM

Thanks so much for the help guys!!

**halfApint** · 07-03-2015, 06:42 PM

remember that night sweats is a side, so upping the dose could increase other undesireable sides as well. Something you must consider before upping the dose. Weigh the pros and cons
and see if you are willing to take the risk vs reward.

No HCG during PCT IMO

Also if my doses are not huge I do not run a AI during cycle. If I really need it, I will use some of my PCT stuff (such as low dose nolva) and order some adex or aromisin etc.
Running an AI during cycle could hinder your results. If you have no sides, and you dont stay "ON" always, and you dont have sides, forget the expensive AI - IMO.