Thread: help with 2nd cycle

Hi I just joined. I have somequestions about Deca and HCG , maybe some of the more experienced users canhelp me out.

Alittle background info:
-Age28, been training for 10 years
-6ft220 lbs about 15% bf
-1st cycle was last year, 500 mg a week of Sustanon for 12 weeks/50 mg d-bol for6 weeks/ ran proper PCT etc. Gained about 25 lbs kept about 10 lbs

Sofor my next cycle I'm planning:
week1-4 50 mg d-bol ED
week1-10 300 mg Deca a week
week1-12 250 mg Test Enan a week

HCG
week2-7 500 ius a week
week8-14 1000 ius a week
week14-18 2000 ius a week

Arimidex 12.5 mg EOD
Caber on hand

PCT
week14-18 Nolvadex and clomid for 4 weeks...40/100 for 2 weeks, then 20/50 for 2weeks

Okso my questions are as follows:
1)Will using HCG prevent me from being shutdown hard? I have heard stories ofpeople using deca and their test levels never returning to normal, even afterPCT.
2)Is caber used in PCT or just in the case of progesterone induced gyno? Would itbe better to replace nolvadex with caber in PCT?
3)Will using HCG prevent drastic hormonal changes during PCT? My first cycle Ihad bad acne and it got worse during PCT. I want to try to avoid this orminimize it as much as possible
4)At what point do I stop taking Adex? Do I continue using it through PCT? I didnot use it my first cycle.

Oksorry for the long post! Tried to be as thorough as possible. I appreciate anyadvice anyone has. Thanks!

Welcome!

I would drop both dbol and deca for your second cycle. Increase Test E to 400 mg - 500mg weekly, pinned twice. (250 each).

Your adex dose is outrageously high. Drop to .25 EOD. (a quarter of a mg). You can stop with your last pin.

HCG will help you recover faster and prevent testicular atrophy. 250iu.

PCT should consist of clomid 100/100/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20. Start 14 days after last pin.

Originally Posted by Apex Peptides

Welcome!

I would drop the dbol and deca for your second cycle. Increase Test E to 400 mg - 500mg weekly, pinned twice. (250 each).

Your adex dose is outrageously high. Drop to .25 EOD. (a quarter of a mg). You can stop with your last pin.

HCG will help you recover faster and prevent testicular atrophy. 250iu.

PCT should consist of clomid 100/100/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20. Start 14 days after last pin.

I agree with what Apex said except I would switch out the adex and take Aromasin instead and take it all the way throughout PCT. Using Adex you're opening yourself up to estrogen rebound, plus aromasin helps to free up bound testosterone making it able to be used by your body.

Also, how good is your diet and training post cycle? You should have been able to keep close to all of the 25lbs you gained. Loosing 15 of it is an indicator that you might have done something wrong or the ancillaries you used for PCT were bad!!

Side note: since NPP has become available and easy to get I don't think there is any reason for anyone to use Deca anymore. NPP is the same compound but with a much shorter ester and is MUCH better for you especially if you're cycling. If you're not familiar with NPP look it up.