Thread: The benefits of using Proviron with Tren

So, the discussion has came about many times over in regards to depression,aggression and/or anxiety,or other sides when on cycle/blast when utilizing Trenbolone, or at times other compounds!

Let's discuses Tren and one compound that can help assist with side effects that can be unbearable for most,especially anxiety..So lets talk about this shall we?




Please allow me to illustrate one of shrouded and seldom discussed Drugs in the whole anabolic circuit, with one of themost underrated/pronounced effects ever, that somehow has failed to be discussed upon the masses...

"Proviron" Mesterolone



Most of you that have ever took the breakfast of champions "Methandrostenolone", That's right, I'm talking about Dbol. What's the most apparent and conspicuous effects that takes place while taking Dbol? If you were about to say the "sense of well-being" than your correct. One of the most profound and desirable effects that we can have during a cycle..Now, how about after a cycle? Or for longer duration's? But we all know that many of us practice moderation with harsh orals,or I would hope,But, have no concerns with elevated toxicity here!

One of the greatest characteristics about Proviron that has been shrouded and seldomly discussed is it's "Antidepressant" properties. With this being said, when it was first developed it was widely utilized in treatments for Bi-polar,OCD and Anxiety. As we know that depression is basically a chemical imbalance that comes about through the "Signaling" issues between receptors. Proviron improves the quality of the "channels" that the cells use to communicate and interact. Thus, a similar effect with Dbol where it drastically improves the sense of well being in users. Much like Antidepressants, SSRI (Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, and/or,SNRI (Serotonin-nor-epinephrinere-uptake inhibitor)

What I'm about to share is a double blind study that clearly shows undoubtedly astonishing results in the patients! An other great reason to consider this compound.
Why proviron is underestimated, the world may never know

Tren is the compound that's well known for having a love hate relationship with most users. Most will deem it a necessary evil. But, in fact it doesn't have to be classified as evil after all.http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/inje...mlvial-ep.html

Allow me to intro some clinical studies that have been conducted with a compound most commonly known as Proviron-trade name (Mesterolone).This agent posses some amazing characteristics with Antidepressant properties, as well Anti-anxiety.
It works by also metabolizing and being recognized through the endocrine as (other) a neurosteroid,effectively functioning as a so-called proneurosteroid (testosterone is also recognized as one).. These steroids synthesized in the brain (Proviron especially) and have effects on brain function,In addition to their actions on neuronal membrane receptors,improving the quality of the channels that cells use to communicate and interact.

Proviron/or Masteron and Tren (Masteron can be utilized due to it's targeting similarities)
Proviron(mesterolone) will exert inhibitory actions on neurotransmission, acting as potent positive allosteric modulator of the GABA receptor (This is crucial concerning Tren-Insomnia as healthly function levels ofGABA will produce a stable sleep state/environment for rest) and possess, in no particular order, antidepressant,stress-reducing, feeling warm/fuzzy/rewarding,pro-social, anti-aggressive(huge consider tren sides),pro-sexual,sedative/pro-sleep,cognitive-memory improvement..The list goes on!(http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/pcta...0-tabs-ep.html)

(Where does this apply with Tren? It can aid all the way around with individuals how are sensitive or not.From the social aspect,overwhelming sense of anxiety,lack of sleep,basically everything stated above that may apply with the usage of tren and the onset of its unwanted side)

In addition to this information, an individual can also utilized masteron (Drostanolonein) in conjunction with Proviron, running both concurrent may yield a great synergenic effect,each compound will compliment one an other. Also the -(http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/inje...mlvial-ep.html)

Further more Proviron is a DHT derivative. DHT compounds assist with hardening of the physique, lack of water retention,increased sex drive..Hardening of the physique and lack of water retention go hand in hand. Proviron assists with this, The body recognizes proviron as a DHT,This causes a direct hardening affect on the muscle tissue(Like mast posses,but mast is much more stronger IMO) The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, because proviron has the ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes,It competes so to speak for its position,it does this aggressively, thus decreasing water retention. Also the the lack of aromatization and the fact that the drug is prototypical androgen, causes a significant shift in the body’s estrogen/testosteroneratio.As proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. It also has properties with AR's.. Increasing the AR expression, proviron/DHT uptake to further increase AR expression, repeating this process over and over ...
This allows other AAS compounds to appear to be amplified with there effects,assisting the compounds - (What does this mean?) It can be a master key so to speak, having multiple functions - It binds aggressively to the AR's and SHBG, thus it can/may increase the activity of other STEROIDS in the system) - This is an added bonus!

Learn more about Proviron here - http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/pcta...0-tabs-ep.html

Functions concerning the neurotransmitter/receptor and how it works:Below is a image illustrating the neurotransmitter/receptor and how it functions, also I will include some real actual studies conducted with proven results expressing the benefits of this compound (proviron)
Keep in mind that these doses may seem extreme,its been proven time and time again that such significant dosages are not needed to yield the effect. Merely a daily intake of 50-100 will suffice for almost anyone!


Citation
Database: PsycINFO
[ Journal Article ]
A comparison of the antidepressant effects of a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) and amitriptyline in depressed men.
Vogel, William; Klaiber, Edward L.; Broverman, Donald M.
Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, Vol 46(1), Jan 1985, 6-8.

Abstract

1. 26 depressed male outpatients were randomly assigned to 14 wks of treatment with either mesterolone or amitriptyline in a double-blind parallel treatment design. Ss completed the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression and a symptom checklist each week. Findings reveal that the drugs were equally effective in reducing depressive symptoms. Mesterolone produced significantly fewer adverse side effects than amitriptyline and did not produce hypomania or tachycardia, recognized side effects of amitriptyline. (10 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2013 APA, all rights reserved)

Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 1984 Jun;6(6):331-7.
The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study).
Itil TM, Michael ST, Shapiro DM, Itil KZ.
Abstract
Based on computer EEG (CEEG) profiles, in high doses, antidepressant properties of mesterolone, a synthetic androgen, were predicted. In a double-blind placebo controlled study, the clinical effects of 300-450 mg daily mesterolone were investigated in 52 relatively young (age range 26-53 years, mean 42.7 years) male depressed outpatients. During 6 weeks of mesterolone treatment, there was a significant improvement of depressive symptomatology. However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo. Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels. Patients with high testosterone levels prior to treatment seem to have had more benefit from mesterolone treatment than patients with low testosterone levels. The degree of improvement weakly correlated to the decrease of testosterone levels during mesterolone treatment.



Information confirming no HTPA shutdown/suppression during PCT

These are some research articles that may justify the use of low/moderate dose Proviron during PCT:

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AAKVAAG, A., and S. B. STROMME. "The effect of mesterolone administration to normal men on the pituitary-testicular function."Acta endocrinologica 77.2 (1974): 380-386.

ABSTRACT
Mesterolone (1α-methyl-5α-dihydrotestosterone) has been given to 10 normal men, age 24–27 years, and the effect on the plasma levels of ICSH, FSH and testosterone has been studied.No effect on the plasma levels of ICSH and FSH could be detected. After 4 weeks on 75 mg mesterolone per day a significant (P < 0.01) drop in the mean value for plasma testosterone level was observed, 5.2 to 4.0 ng/ml. After another 4 weeks on 150 mg mesterolone per day a further decrease to 3.5 ng/ml was found.During mesterolone administration the protein binding of testosterone in plasma was significantly reduced, and it appeared that the level of free (non-protein bound) testosterone in diluted plasma remained unchanged, 0.37 and 0.41 ng/ml, before and after mesterolone administration respectively.The results suggest that mesterolone given in doses of 75 and 150 mg/day to normal men does not suppress the pituitary ICSH production or the testicular testosterone production
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GORDON, R.D., THOMAS, M.J., POYNTING, J.M. and STOCKS, A.E. (1975), Effect of Mesterolone on Plasma L.H., F.S.H. and Testosterone. Andrologia, 7: 287–296. doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.1975.tb00942.x

Summary
It has been claimed that orally administered mesterolone, unlike l7a-methyl testo- sterone, does not suppress endogenous gonadotrophins and testesterone. To investi- gate this, both drugs were administered, in turn, to four normal men and plasma te- stosterone, L.H. and F.S.H. were measured serially. Mesterolone administration was associated in all four subjects with significant and similar falls in plasma testosterone, but significant suppression of gonadotrophins took place in only two of them. Any changes which occured were apparent by the end of the first week of therapy. Administration of half the dose of 17a-methyl testosterone to the same four subjects caused significant suppression of testosterone in each and suppression of one or both gonadotrophins in each.
In longer term studies in patients (5-30 months) involving serial measurements at intervals of one to two months, there was evidence of significant suppression of L.H. and F.S.H. by 17a-methyl testosterone, but not by mesterolone, which was clinically a less effective androgen.
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WANG, C., BURGER, H.G., de KRETSER, D.M., DULMANIS, A., HUDSON, B., KEOGH, E.J. and SUTHERS, M.B. (1974), Effect of Mesterolone on Serum FSH, LH and Plasma Testosterone in Normal Men. Andrologia, 6: 111–117. doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.1974.tb01604.x

Summary
To determine whether the claim that mesterolone, an orally active androgen, does not cause suppression of gonadotrophin secretion, two groups of five normal men were treated with 100 and 200 mg. daily respectively for 7 days. Serial measurements of serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone were made on samples taken at 15 minute intervals over 2 hr both before and during treatment. Modest falls in FSH, LH and testosterone levels were observed in both groups, the percentage suppression being 21% and 18% for FSH, 19% and 15% for LH and 9% and 8% for testosterone at the lower and higher dosage levels respectively.
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200mg is a far greater dose than I would deploy during PCT (50mgs is ideal). From these studies and other articles we see have read, it's clear that there is almost minimal/no influence on the HTPA, any effect would be absolute minimal and negated by other appropriate compounds used during that period (HCG, Aromasin, Nolvadex and HGH)...


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Vision

great post vision thanks, i will now add proviron wen i run tren... hopefully it works for me.

You're very welcome brother and I'm glad you were able to take something out of this read, never remember you can substitute it back and forth with mast,or proviron.... as both of them possess similarities when it concerns targeting properties... combinding the both is rather impressive and can yield absolutely stellar results....

Let us know how you make out brother and give your feedback!

It's been damned near a secret of mine for some time, but why not let others try it. I've been running Proviron with every cycle for 15 years. Used to get the Schering brand 25mg tabs on vacation in Mexico before Sept 11, and remember having a 100+ of those mini glass bottles that I'd throw away as I'd add the magical little tabs to a papaya enzyme bottle, then come back to the states with zero hassle. A 25mg dose was ok, but I didn't notice a serious difference til I went to 75mg/day dose that I'd run for long durations. And with Parabolan, Primo, and test prop... Wow! Proviron is by far underestimated. Thanks for the article

Nice piece of info vision ....thanks for sharing ...

Since one of the main reasons tren causes aggression and sleeplessness is due to it being such a potent androgen and proviron (or mast for that matter) will actually increase your levels of active androgens (in addition to their inherent role as active androgens themselves) I am not so sure that its effects as an ssri or effects on GABA receptor would offset the inherent increase in aggression caused by the addition of proviron or masteron to a tren cycle. One thing is for certain, if activation of the gaba receptor would help with trensomnia or aggression you can get that benefit plus a reduction in prolactin by using a dopamine agonist without risking a potential increase or offset of those effects by increasing androgens by using prov or mast.
Also the documented effects of proviron on HPTA suppression is pretty varied. There are studies which I have seen posted that show dose dependent suppression that is considered clinically significant starts at doses as low as 50mg.
Interesting theories you are proposing for our use. I have always found proviron pretty much useless for me. It lowers SHBG for about 2 weeks which skyrockets my libido after which SHBG levels return to their pre administration levels and my libido drops back down even if continuing proviron. Some guys do really swear by it, always have. Might be one that varies dramatically depending on the user.

Originally Posted by Jimmyinkedup

Since one of the main reasons tren causes aggression and sleeplessness is due to it being such a potent androgen and proviron (or mast for that matter) will actually increase your levels of active androgens (in addition to their inherent role as active androgens themselves) I am not so sure that its effects as an ssri or effects on GABA receptor would offset the inherent increase in aggression caused by the addition of proviron or masteron to a tren cycle. One thing is for certain, if activation of the gaba receptor would help with trensomnia or aggression you can get that benefit plus a reduction in prolactin by using a dopamine agonist without risking a potential increase or offset of those effects by increasing androgens by using prov or mast.
Also the documented effects of proviron on HPTA suppression is pretty varied. There are studies which I have seen posted that show dose dependent suppression that is considered clinically significant starts at doses as low as 50mg.
Interesting theories you are proposing for our use. I have always found proviron pretty much useless for me. It lowers SHBG for about 2 weeks which skyrockets my libido after which SHBG levels return to their pre administration levels and my libido drops back down even if continuing proviron. Some guys do really swear by it, always have. Might be one that varies dramatically depending on the user.

I used to have the same effects with Proviron, then I started increasing the dose. There are times where I'll be using it at 5 tabs/day, 125mg, and it works wonders.

Originally Posted by devildog

It's been damned near a secret of mine for some time, but why not let others try it. I've been running Proviron with every cycle for 15 years. Used to get the Schering brand 25mg tabs on vacation in Mexico before Sept 11, and remember having a 100+ of those mini glass bottles that I'd throw away as I'd add the magical little tabs to a papaya enzyme bottle, then come back to the states with zero hassle. A 25mg dose was ok, but I didn't notice a serious difference til I went to 75mg/day dose that I'd run for long durations. And with Parabolan, Primo, and test prop... Wow! Proviron is by far underestimated. Thanks for the article

It's genuine authentic on voice feedback like yours above that really makes a lot of treads and posts very interesting, much like the other posts in this thread as well, with this compound I have noticed there really is no happy medium people are either far left or far right ( the only analogy I could think of at the moment).... people love it and swear by it and others are virtually on responders however the young responders can always substitute it with mast, well there's always aternative but in regards your feedback- your instance is absolutely ideal whenever I hear positive feedback its situations and protocol identical to yours and people swear by it...

What is your dosage timing

Great info here guys

Good for the head on tren, very true!

but don't they both agravate the prostate?