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Okay bros help me out with this. I’m sure it’s on here and I may be asking a bit much but my question is about estrogen and AI and if someone can try to break it down simply.
When I’m just running my trt I usually take an AI. I was having some lido and other issues so I dropped the AI and felt pretty damn good.
Running anything plus my TRT I take an AI and it seems to make things decent.
My question is this. Is there is certain point for people like us where we should or should not take an AI?
I feel like figuring this out and SHBG is the honest key to having a great physique.
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You need to look at your labs to know. Take the guess work out
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I just let it fall where it may. I feel like, assuming no gyno etc, if my test is high then my estro should be too. It's a ratio thing I think. I say estrogen has to many benefits to just suppress and keep "normal"
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Originally Posted by
Bigred29
Okay bros help me out with this. I’m sure it’s on here and I may be asking a bit much but my question is about estrogen and AI and if someone can try to break it down simply.
When I’m just running my trt I usually take an AI. I was having some lido and other issues so I dropped the AI and felt pretty damn good.
Running anything plus my TRT I take an AI and it seems to make things decent.
My question is this. Is there is certain point for people like us where we should or should not take an AI?
I feel like figuring this out and SHBG is the honest key to having a great physique.
Pardon my frustration, its not with you, but the FKING DR.S dont decide SHXT based on their "knowledge" EVERYONE they put on trt gets arimidex, which:
Destroys bone density
Can crash your estro easily
AND they have you taking the shit WEEK 1 ... before the tiny amount of test they crumb out to you even starts to aromatize!
The best answer is AROMASIN!
Instead of destroying estrogen or blocking it from binding to specific sites (like nolvadex does) it simply binds to the aromatic sites so that they are blocked and no conversion occurs.
It boosts your bio-available "Free Test" as well!
Doctors are mostly robots now: They plug your info into a "WebMD" type of system and the do whatever the program says to do.
Starting aromsin on the 4th-5th week of trt.... or 4-5 weeks from the start of a cycle ... @ 12.5mgs e3d should cover the bases for most.
Last edited by IRISHOAK; 04-15-2022 at 01:36 PM.
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You bloods but on TRT you shouldn’t need an AI.
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@samgraves I guess that’s my question, not what the ranges on the test is considered high but what have you guys determined high for yourself. For example when I get bloods and I’m just doing TRT my estrogen without AI is 26 maybe hits 30 when I’m adding something extra it hits around 44 and above. On one occasion it was in the high 70s but I still didn’t have any gyno or estrogen related side effects. It was just that one time tho.
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Originally Posted by
Bigred29
@samgraves I guess that’s my question, not what the ranges on the test is considered high but what have you guys determined high for yourself. For example when I get bloods and I’m just doing TRT my estrogen without AI is 26 maybe hits 30 when I’m adding something extra it hits around 44 and above. On one occasion it was in the high 70s but I still didn’t have any gyno or estrogen related side effects. It was just that one time tho.
That’s not high and doesn’t require AI. It’s what happens normally to balance out exogenous test coming in.
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Originally Posted by
Bigred29
@samgraves I guess that’s my question, not what the ranges on the test is considered high but what have you guys determined high for yourself. For example when I get bloods and I’m just doing TRT my estrogen without AI is 26 maybe hits 30 when I’m adding something extra it hits around 44 and above. On one occasion it was in the high 70s but I still didn’t have any gyno or estrogen related side effects. It was just that one time tho.
When I figure it out I'll let ya know lol. On my last cycle my erections gotta little mushy couple times so I took .5 mg adex and it was all better. That may have been in my head tho. I say fuck the numbers, if ur dick works, no gyno, then keep it moving. I don't think estrogen is as much to blame for high BP, water retention, etc, as people think either. That said, I don't convert much either. 750 test will only put me in high 40's. At least that's as high as I e caught it. I'm sure it's gotten a bit higher
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Like it's been said, bloods tell the story, don't leave it to guess or "feel". At trt doses, you shouldn't need an ai. For myself, I start an ai when test is ran 400 and above. I use 12.5 mg of asin 2x/week then above 700 I use it 3x/week. I dose it that way because I do bloods and know how my body reacts, someone else could be completely different.
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Like it's been said, bloods tell the story, don't leave it to guess or "feel". At trt doses, you shouldn't need an ai. For myself, I start an ai when test is ran 400 and above. I use 12.5 mg of asin 2x/week then above 700 I use it 3x/week. I dose it that way because I do bloods and know how my body reacts, someone else could be completely different.
how often do you get bloods done? The standard 90 days?
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