BEGINNER CYCLE- EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW

**thaifoon** · 07-23-2019, 05:02 PM

thanks for the info

**Raw** · 12-12-2019, 02:51 AM

There is no statement as to when you should stop taking the AI in the sticky. Please add.

**LASB** · 12-12-2019, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Raw

There is no statement as to when you should stop taking the AI in the sticky. Please add.

After 4 weeks, it says at the top of the PCT schedule "PCT 4 weeks"

**Raw** · 12-13-2019, 01:11 AM

I am not talking about the "POST CYCLE". I am asking about the AI.

**LASB** · 12-13-2019, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Raw

I am not talking about the "POST CYCLE". I am asking about the AI.

Everyone is going to have a different idea. I run the AI for the complete cycle at a low dose.. But I'm real sensitive to estrogen it seems, hence why I keep on top of it the whole time.

Other will suggest only to use when symptoms show up

**Oldman85** · 01-07-2020, 02:25 AM

This is great! Wish I’d had this spelled out of for me so plainly before my first cycle. It’s exactly what I did, but took a while get the truth and fiction sorted out.

**bulldogger** · 01-07-2020, 04:23 AM

Nice idea for a first cycle. I was a dumbass and only took 300 but i was on trt 200mg a week so i guess you could say 500.

It seems many who have not ran gear though think use a kickstarter or run another compound like deca. More and more people talk, and i took the advice, test is king and should be the base of your first cycle.

**Iron Foundry** · 01-13-2020, 08:50 AM

Hey Lads,

I have done PCT a couple of times.
The last time was with a different approach and taper off as well.

After running Test E and Mast E Most of my cycle i changed to shorter esters.
Test P and Mast P for 3 weeks at end of cycle, dropping the ml's weekly.

I was, at this time, referred to a protocol via an Irish doc and i began it with total cold turkey for 5 half lives ..( Prop is between 3-5 days ) so i waited 20days until i had my first HCG injection of 1000iu and then 500iu daily until i used whole vial.
I waited again for 1 week then i began to use clomid/nolva.
Both ED for 2 weeks and then continued nolva ED but clomid EOD for 2 weeks.
Dropped Clomid and EOD Nolva for another week then went off.

Now, I had my bloods done at the crash of my body. That was on the 19th day after my last pin. My test and Mast week of pin was only 1/2 ml each.
I had my bloods done again at 14 weeks and i have had the results checked and am back to acceptable levels on all aspects.

What i did was not for everyone. But is you take a less is more approach and have bloods done, you will be able to gauge your PCT with a better eye.
You cant see what levels your at looking at your arm and ive been there in the hard times as one of my major runs in an off season was terrible. More than ever i take the PCT seriously and i make sure i have liver and kidney support added with looking after the gut.

Im no professional or doctor, but i have done silly things in my 12 years pinning and im just happy that i was able to maintain the levels now that i need when i come off cycle.

Happy to chat with any and all about it as i am new to the forum but keen to help and learn when im not working.

Thanks brothers

**Bambam333** · 07-19-2020, 03:15 AM

Only thing I disagree with is running hcg during cycle as this is a major misconception and I don't know where people get the info that hcg will keep your nuts producing natural test while using exogenous test coz no matter the amount used your nuts will be shut down simple and only when the exogenous test is stopped and through a proper pct will they start to produce natural test again, hcg should really only be used at the start of pct in my opinion

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**Riggs** · 07-19-2020, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Bambam333

Only thing I disagree with is running hcg during cycle as this is a major misconception and I don't know where people get the info that hcg will keep your nuts producing natural test while using exogenous test coz no matter the amount used your nuts will be shut down simple and only when the exogenous test is stopped and through a proper pct will they start to produce natural test again, hcg should really only be used at the start of pct in my opinion

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Early on in my AAS journey, as in 20yrs ago sheez, it kept my balls from disappearing in to my stomach and I felt better. Now a lots changed for me since then and the last time I ran HCG was @ 5yrs ago and my balls yielded no physical response.

What's crazy is I haven't pct'd since 2006 & my balls still shrink & fill back out based on what I'm taking. Call me crazy and I'll post up pics........