Fat loss and AAS..Let's talk about! (Is there some real truth?)

[Vision]

Fat loss and AAS..Let's talk about! (Is there some real truth)

Over the years there's been massive debates, and of lately there's been some discussions in many of the panels in regards to AAS and fat loss..Some in the gear world populace are advocating that there's "no such thing", or AAS don't burn fat..

So, let's discuss this... (AAS only, no stims or bata's,or GH)

Now, you're gonna hear mix reviews on this.. However, I have seen enough evidence that supports AAS having,creating a environment/platform for fat burning..DIET without a doubt is crucial, and the pivotal player..However, there is real science behind fat loss and AAS, but please don't put all your money on it soley as an effective combatant..But nonetheless AAS is effective!

AAS that are seen/reconized on the high/or moderate androgenic scale will in fact promote/increase lypolysis..Thus andros have a higher binding affinity to AR's..

FYI; Androgen receptors are found throughout cellular groups, as well as FAT and muscle cell/groups, now we know that they initiate a response on AR's in muscle cells to promote size/growth, at the same given time they will have a cascade of effects on other cells and AR's found therein fat cells inducing activity/burning..

Higher/more potent the androgen binds to the androgen receptors, the greater the lipolytic response will be on adipose tissue (brown or white)...

Now lets also take into great consideration AR upregulation with the presence of androgens, more AR sites throughout targeting tissue..,There's a vast amount of activity in which a complex interplay between activation and inactivation mechanisms and signaling between cell groups, what People need to remember that hormones are "chemical messengers" that rely messages to cells that display specific receptors for each hormone and respond to the signaling..Depending on the compounds and the individuals metabolization ratio the hormone can/may make changes directly to a cell, by changing the genes that are activated, or by making changes indirectly to a cell by stimulating other signaling pathways inside a specific cell group that is effected and effect other processes, thus this can "initiate" an intracellular cascade of events.. So, the notion that fat loss is NOT presence, and to mitigate that AAS don't posses any fat loss properties is absurd...

So, yes AAS may assist with fat loss, however don't expect miracles and it's advised to have a lower body fat% by diet to expect to see more fat loss effects, but its not crucial..Have your macro's dialed in with your AAS intake, cardio ,and anything is possible, we've seen amazing things happen in this lifestyle..

There's an abundance of clinical research and peer-reviewed data that strongly supports testosterone (and other AAS) fat reducing actions and its preventative impact on adipocyte generation...As AAS (especially Testosterone) acts both in the breakdown of existing fat tissue and to hinder pre-adipocytes from maturing.

This is where some AAS began you accure theer reputation, or spin a myth (winstrol) at promoting fat loss, and achieve lower body fat,cuts..With this said, there's some truth behind winstrol and cuts, but not directly!

Share you thoughts and experience with this!

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Testosterone therapy in hypogonadal men results in sustained and clinically meaningful weight loss

Abstract

WHAT IS ALREADY KNOWN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT:

Hypogonadism is associated with increased fat mass and reduced muscle mass, which contributes to obesity and health risks, such as cardiovascular disease.Testosterone treatment of hypogonadal men improves muscle mass and reduces fat mass; however, many of these studies are of short duration.Thus, the long-term effects of testosterone on body anthropometry are not known.

WHAT THIS STUDY ADDS:

Long-term testosterone treatment of hypogonadal men, up to 5 years duration, produced marked and significant decrease in body weight, waist circumference and body mass index. Hypogonadism contributes to reduced muscle mass and increased adiposity.Testosterone treatment ameliorates loss of muscle mass and reduces fat accumulation associated with hypogonadism. In this study, we evaluated the long-term effects of normalizing testosterone (T) levels in hypogonadal men on anthropometric parameters. Open-label, single-center, cumulative, prospective registry study of 261 men (32-84 years, mean 59.5 ± 8.4 years, with T levels ***8804;12 nmol L-1 [mean: 7.7 ± 2.1]). Among the 261 men on T treatment, we followed up on 260 men for at least 2 years, 237 for 3 years, 195 for 4 years and 163 for at least 5 years. Subjects received parenteral T undecanoate 1000 mg every 12 weeks after an initial interval of 6 weeks. Body weight (BW), waist circumference (WC) and body mass index (BMI) were measured at baseline and yearly after treatment with T. BW decreased from 100.1 ± 14.0 kg to 92.5 ± 11.2 kg and WC was reduced from 107.7 ± 10.0 cm to 99.0 ± 9.1 cm. BMI declined from 31.7 ± 4.4 m kg-2 to 29.4 ± 3.4 m kg-2. All parameters examined were statistically significant vs. baseline and vs. the previous year over 5 years, indicating a continuous weight loss (WL) over the full observation period. The mean per cent WL was 3.2 ± 0.3% after 1 year, 5.6 ± 0.3%, after 2 years, 7.5 ± 0.3% after 3 years, 9.1 ± 0.3% after 4 years and 10.5 ± 0.4% after 5 years. The data obtained from this uncontrolled, observational, registry study suggest that raising serum T to normal physiological levels in hypogonadal men produces consistent loss in BW, WC and BMI. These marked improvements were progressive over the 5 years of the study.


KEYWORDS:

Testosterone, obesity, waist circumference, weight loss

PMID: 24163704 [PubMed] PMCID: PMC3799011 Free PMC Article

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...03-0073-f1.jpg

[Luckyman]

In my personal but limited experience AAS definitely made me lose fat and that was on a caloric surplus. In the past when I trained naturally in my 20's at the same body weight 3,200 calories was enough to put on muscle but also a little fat along the way. On my recent cycle I was eating around 4,000 calories thinking I should take advantage of the extra anabolic environment and not miss out on any gains, I was expecting to put on fat but I actually became more lean each week.

Even on a cut I find even small doses make me lose fat almost twice as fast as naturally but also in both my bulks and cuts my diet is spot on and very clean so I'm sure that helps a great deal. But yes, I agree, AAS in some way encourages the body to burn fat.

[leakydelts]

It definitely helps, if for no other reason than when you gain a pound of muscle but maintain the same fat mass, the BF % drops. That said nothing beats 500 mg+ test (throw in whatever ancillary androgens you prefer) and 250 mg DNP for fat loss. Though I do find T3 + clen is decent

[Jozifp103]

Pretty much all steroids burn fat indirectly. Maybe not "burn" fat, but slow the deposit of fat, or increase the oxidation of fat depending on diet. Nutrient partitioning makes you utilize your calories more efficiently for muscle building. If you continue to eat and lift exactly the same....add gear and the fat drops, muscle is gained.

Now tren? Definitely burns fat directly. I don't care what anyone says. It raises your core temp which is exactly what a thermogenic does to burn fat. You are hot and you sweat more. The simplified definition of a calorie is a unit of heat energy. It takes one calorie of heat to burn one calorie of food. When your core temp is elevated...you're burning calories at a higher rate.

[LittleTom]

The only way to lose fat is to burn it off by having the body use it as energy. The only supplements that are capable in aiding in this are the ones that increase your metabolism or your heart rate. What AAS does is set the stage perfectly for our body to get rid of fat in the most effective way possible. When we are hungry the first thing our bodies want to get rid of is muscle. Muscle burns a lot of cals and our bodies do not like that when we are hungry. We take about a 70/30 ratio of taking muscle to fat when our bodies go into hunger and starvation mode. Thats aweful for us lifters. We know the more muscle we have the more cals we are burning on a regular basis. AAS helps preserve that tissue as we get to burn up other stores of energy in our body way more effectively then we ever could without it. AAS shuttles nutrients into our muscles at a much more effective rate and in some cases can increase lean mass in a caloric deficit. without AAS we would be burning up our muscles at a much faster rate and not allowing our body to eat its self alive. Dont get me wrong... In a deficit the body is still burning muscle it is just burning up other stuff at the same rate it used to while it is taking longer to eat away at our muscle. However science just does not back "fat burning" properties and AAS. Are we talking about the same things... ehhh close.