Thread: Thinking about a new direction -- EQ and performance goals

Hey guys. Decided on starting an old-school bulking cycle in January (test, deca, dbol) but rethinking it. Up until now I've been trying to do slow, quality gains, but had been getting frustrated with the lack of size and "fullness" that I've been getting. Maybe that's all diet though. In any event, I was gonna start up that bulk in January BUT...

Some of you guys know I also run obstacle races, and I had one last week that has me rethinking my decision. I cut way back on my cardio and endurance training this fall, and put on a few pounds, and man I felt it. I seriously hit a wall about 2/3 of the way through the race. So now I'm back to thinking about not sacrificing athletic performance. I'm trying to qualify this year for an big international race, and I've got races coming up in January, February and March. I thought before I'd sacrifice speed on those races, but now I'm rethinking it.

I still wanna run a cycle in January though and try to at least put on a little size and strength while maintaining my athletic performance. So the goal is to balance putting on some size with athletic performance too. For those who've never seen one of these races, I guess the athletic equivalent would be competitive crossfit stuff, or maybe some MMA in terms of endurance with bursts of output.

What do you think of Test / Eq / Var for that goal? I've seen Eq listed for endurance athletes a lot, but also seen some guys who hate it. I've done three cycles so far, but all test and npp (with a little dabbling in tbol and var).

Would you run the Eq higher than the Test? 500 test, 600 eq? Or go even lower on the test, like 250 test and 400 eq?? Is the var a good addition, or is it gonna make me cramp up?? I've been curious about primo too relative to my goals, but not sure how it meshes with Eq. I'd love to try tren, but I know that's a terrible idea for endurance athletes.

Appreciate your thoughts.

There's not many good orals for endurance. EQ is fantastic but anavar less so. Won't you just get lots of pumps as you're running your obstacle course? I know any orals really hurt my grappling performance.

i just looked into the same exact thing a few months ago. posted a couple threads about compounds for endurance sports and got into eq. what i came up with....sorry, but i realized any compound alone or combined with a max mg of 500 or more hurt cardio. even over 500 mg of just test, effected my endurance, and i found the same census on multiple inquires. i was in the same boat you were. right now im drug free for different reasons, and have noticed my athletic performance is increasing greatly. if you wanna do well in the race, go drug free.

Originally Posted by VallieFlag

There's not many good orals for endurance. EQ is fantastic but anavar less so. Won't you just get lots of pumps as you're running your obstacle course? I know any orals really hurt my grappling performance.

Probably so....the pumps and cramps are what I was afraid of with it.......but I've already got it and it's just sitting here in a drawer calling out to me! Lol. Not looking for anything to help with endurance specifically.....just want to make sure I don't hinder it, you know?

Originally Posted by bulk_cut

If it was me I'd run the test anywhere from 400-500mg/week and EQ at 700-800mg/week, Tbol at40mg/day for first 4 weeks and leave it at that. EQ gives slow steady rock hard gains and helps w/endurance. You'll need to run the cycle for at least 16 weeks and by the time you're done your body should have adjusted to the gains. If you could run the cycle longer it'll benefit you that much more. Keep in mind diet controls your gains and you've got a tough job cause you're trying to achieve to opposite objectives!

thanks man.....is the tbol kickstart just to overcome the long half life of the eq?

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

i just looked into the same exact thing a few months ago. posted a couple threads about compounds for endurance sports and got into eq. what i came up with....sorry, but i realized any compound alone or combined with a max mg of 500 or more hurt cardio. even over 500 mg of just test, effected my endurance, and i found the same census on multiple inquires. i was in the same boat you were. right now im drug free for different reasons, and have noticed my athletic performance is increasing greatly. if you wanna do well in the race, go drug free.

were you finding cardio was the problem, like breathing too heavy? Or endurance, like crapping out too soon?? This last race, I was ok with cardio, but got about an hour and a half into it and just hit a wall and my strength gave out on me.

Ultimately I think that keeping bodyweight gain to a minimum would be a good idea if you are concerned with your endurance. Getting stronger would absolutely help in every facet, but higher bodyweight would do give no benefit.

Originally Posted by ducksonthewall

Ultimately I think that keeping bodyweight gain to a minimum would be a good idea if you are concerned with your endurance. Getting stronger would absolutely help in every facet, but higher bodyweight would do give no benefit.

Yeah that's the balance I'm trying to strike. I don't want to be huge, but I do want to be bigger for my own reasons, aside from my sport. So it's trying to figure out the right balance. I'm 180 right now and I think I could still perform up to about 200 if it's the right kind of weight and I stay on top of my cardio. Much bigger than that and I think it would start to be a problem.

Originally Posted by noarch

were you finding cardio was the problem, like breathing too heavy? Or endurance, like crapping out too soon?? This last race, I was ok with cardio, but got about an hour and a half into it and just hit a wall and my strength gave out on me.

both! the biggest problem was more i couldnt breathe at all. but after a little your lungs break in and you can breathe. soon as you can breathe, your worn out. trust me i tried the eq thing. wanted to believe in it too lol. didnt work for me. nothing did.