Thread: help with second bulking cycle layout

Originally Posted by Gain Train

Im not trying to bash your comment but this is absolutely false... some of my best cycles are only 6-8 weeks leading into another show and I've kept everything no problem.

@ the OP. I think this cycle you have listed will definitely give you great results. I would suggest you make some changes in the time you introduce certain compounds and how long you take your oral GH.

You are running TPP and NPP... if your source is reliable and it's good NPP there is no reason to use Dbol the first week for a "kickstart" NPP will hit you rather quick AND within the first 10 days you'll already notice a difference.

I would run dbol from week 3-7 or if your eager to start Dbol use it after your NPP and Test has kicked in and you can notice a difference... you'll be able to break PRs after your first week and set another set of PRS once u introduce the Dbol. I would reap the benefits of a certain compound and dosage until you notice a plateau then introduce another compound or make adjustments to your total weekly dosage.

PCT to keep your gains... ok this is a super debatable topic and some people suggest to use HCG on cycle post cycle etc I saw u mention that you are not going to be using HCG... if that's what your planning on doing I cannot stress to you how important it's going to be to stay on GH while your going into PCT and through PCT... I'm not a fan of the Oral GH boosters but some say it works for them... if it works then great... stay on it through your PCT if your not going to blast HCG to kick your balls back in gear to get your natural test levels up to normal or past normal while off all Injectable compounds.


some prefer to use HCG on cycle at a low dose to prevent "atrophy" and to recover faster in PCT... From my personal experience and from some of my professional coaches and fellow competitors that have gone pro they have gave me great deal of insight on this topic. Experimenting to see how you respond with HCG and getting blood work done is the only way to prove the legitimacy of a protocol that works for YOU. Usually the Bro Science (common knowledge) regarding when to start PCT is determined regarding the halflife of the compounds your using and when will it clear your system... for example we will say 10-14 days after your last injection of compounds you start your PCT. During that 10-14 day timeframe blasting 500-1500IU of HCG every 3rd day leading into your PCT protocol will do wonders for you.

1000-1500IU would be overkill if you were to use HCG you'd maybe need 500IU every 3rd day

GT

thanks!
bro what u just said really enlightened me! starting dbol week 3 actually makes a lot of sense. as long as i dont get too much estrogen rebound coming off cycle. but i think u may be right man i should notice the short ester nandralone and test by the second week. so yeah if i add in dbol later on that may be a whole new set of PRs. also with hcg, im running a long ester cycle atm. and im going to use it 500IU twice a week during the days of my ester clearence before pct. i said i wasnt going to use hcg during the end of this cycle because its a short ester and will start pct a few days after. i personally think there isnt a point to using hcg on cycle. i know others will say there is but i just dont see a point in using it because think about it once u blast ur hcg ur body is going to produce natural test. then u do a shot of test and ur body is like ok nvm i dont have to produce test. and that just keeps happening and happening so its probably not good having ur hormones all unstable like that. anyways thanks for the info man im still looking into this

also come on guys lets just all get along! im sure u all have vast knowledge of AAS and are nice enough to come on here and try and help a younger/newer person out. like vallie said we're all on the same team! thanks for the helpful info all of you!

Originally Posted by kawa636

Its all advice bro,find wat works for u..i only run tudca unless im running a heave cycle then ill slap an extra liver support..the cycle looks good bro..


im mixing test an deca in same syringe right now for my bulking cycle,i usually warm it up,seeems to help it flow thru faster.but ur running all short esters soo pin away my friend lol

thanks!
yeah bro im looking into it more and more. thanks so much for the feedback man! also i pinned VG today! bro its my new spot. no pip what so ever. hit some suspension there and no painnn. heard i can blast a good 2-3ml there no problem.
@electromass thanks for the help brother

Originally Posted by Gain Train

in what way am I trolling and how am I a guru then a noob?

Im hopefully going to get my pro card in 2 months if I finish in the top 3... I may be new to this specific fourm but who the fuck are you? In what way have you given any advice to the OP? And I'm the troll?

@tarzannigga I hope my post gave you some things to consider... inwould start Dbol week 2 or 3...

deff!!
great advice man. thats honestly most likely what im going to do. like i said i never thought about it the way u told me. but it makes a lot of sense. just hoping there isnt too much estrogen rebound