Heart Health / cycle advice

**jeffC** · 12-28-2016, 03:30 PM

Good morning BOP,

Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

I've been doing research on AAS for my next cycle, as most of you know already, I'm relatively new to AAS I've been taking the advice of the Brothers here and actually researching what it is I want to achieve. I'm reading what seems like the Bible of AAS " Anabolics" by William Llewellyn.
The abundance of information although complex is amazing and I suggest everyone who dabbles in the AAS world read this.

That being said I am concerned about the affects on blood lipids, HDL suppression - I've read that fish oils and other essential fatty acids help support this suppression when using aromatase inhibitors.

What are the real world protocols for this side effect ?

Secondly and this may need a new thread - I want to do a bulk cycle, the Gear I have is as follows: Test-E 250 and Deca-300. I have HCG to help out with the boys shrinking, and I have Aromasin for the conversion inhibitor as well as Tamoxifen and Clomid for post cycle.

I'm planning on 300/300 test-Deca

Where I'm struggling is in the application of the aromatase inhibitor - some doctrine says use it, some say the estrogen and water retention for the bulk cycle is necessary for strength gains and also to control the loss of the HDL. I'm also unsure of the HCG dose for maintenance during the cycle. I'm not starting anything till March so I want to get everything in order well before hand.

Any advice on this would be appreciated.

**VallieFlag** · 12-29-2016, 03:19 AM

Its hard to give advice for the AI. Everyone is different. Some guys prefer low estro, some guys love it high. Some guys AI crushes their estro, while others need a tonne of it.
I am one of those who reacts very strongly, and low estrogen destroys me. I lose my strength and libido dissapears and I just feel like absolute crap. I was taking it before I noticed any side effects as I was told that was the right thing to do and I regretted it as it totally crushed my estro. I went in for bloods and my estradiol was so low it was undetectable.
So thats MY experience. Some guys willtell you to ALWAYS use it before you see side effects, but to be honest, everyone just needs to try it and see what works for them. Generally you would go without it for 6 weeks, getr your mid cycle blood tests and if its quite high, start a dose of AI and get your estro checked again a month later to see if its in the range you want. Also, I would advise using aromasin over arimidex, as its easier on the lipids.

**McFeastonthis** · 12-29-2016, 04:48 AM

Have you ever used HCG for maintenance during a cycle before? HCG's main function to a male is the ability to increase natural testosterone production. This won't be beneficial to you until after your cycle is complete and you are not artificially producing a chemical reaction that takes place in your body that you are referring to as testosterone production. Most of this information seems highly non-trivial and rather confusing but if you understand the underlying idea behind how these reactions take place you will understand that telling your body to create testosterone from hcg while it is already being told that from the steroids your injecting is doing the same thing twice and you will never notice a difference.

"When examining the functions and traits of HCG the only one of notable worth in both therapeutic or performance settings is in its ability to mimic the Luteinizing Hormone (LH). While perhaps slightly simplistic, HCG is exogenous LH, the primary gonadotropin along with Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). This is beneficial to the female patient as such gonadotropins stimulate conception; LH is also the primary gonadotropin responsible for the stimulation of natural production. This is the precise reason some anabolic steroid users will use it and the primary reason it is used in many low testosterone treatment plans. When LH is released, it signals to the testicles to produce more testosterone, which is more than beneficial if natural LH production is low."

**jeffC** · 12-29-2016, 04:29 PM

Brother, I respect your input, although you have been mis informed. Hcg is used during cycle to avoid testicular atrophy. Usually around 250iu every 3rd day. Although it is important in PCT to stimulate the gonad function by mimicking LH. In short using hcg keeps your nuts from shrinking and having to build them back up at the end of your cycle.

**jeffC** · 12-29-2016, 04:41 PM

Most of this information seems highly non-trivial and rather confusing but if you understand the underlying idea behind how these reactions take place you will understand that telling your body to create testosterone from hcg while it is already being told that from the steroids your injecting ....

No AAS tells your body to produce testosterone! Almost every one SHUTS OFF your natural testosterone production because of the excessive amount of testosterone your putting in your body.