Thread: Dbol Tren ProP NPP 8 Week Lean bulk CYCLE Help needed TRT denial???

Current stats:
43yrs. Old
200lbs.
5'9"
BF% w/o 3 point calipers roughly 12-15%





Hello im new to this board but not the game. Recently i went to a TRT dr. And was offered HCG instead of test. My test levels came back in the low 300's. Prior to my appt. I stopped using my test 400 which was a cyp enan. blend must of had a long ester chain in it such as decanoate or undecanaote no reason my levels should have been 2!
Anyways over the last 12-16 weeks Ive gained a solid 12lbs pure fat giving my appearance a flat look.
AAS on hand:
Dbol 100ct. 20mgs 1-5 or 6wks max
All products are Geneza and inected M/W/F
Test cyp 250x3
Test Prop 100 x 2
Tren ace x 2
Winstrol 10 mgs. 100ct mostly for reducing SHBG
Dragon NPP150 x 4
Can always souce more off each depending on decided cycle.
Figure since i always hit a brick wall after 8wks due to Myostatin peaking or whatever the culprit. I've tried changing chemicals upping kcals etc. to no avail.
I figure by using Tren off the rip ill get its full benefits b4 Myo prevents this. However i also know keeping high androgens helps to cont. burning fat cals.
PLZ take the time to review my agents and how you would advice me to proceed. Im not opposed to cont. my cycle for unwards of 16 weeks if warranted. I cam source my anabolics quite quickly.
Goal are: Recomp w emphasis on 10-12lbs. Lean muscle w a reduction in visceral fat.
Thanks in advace for any and all input!!

Test in the 300s is too low to build muscle. You really need 600-800+.
I don't quite understand though, you are doing self administered TRT? Or you just want to cycle like normal?

By the way 200lbs, 5'9, 15% bf, you're definitely not ready for test/tren/npp/dbol. I would take a few months to lose that 12lbs again, gain a few lbs of muscle and then reasses. Maybe do test/dbol first, get a good extra 5-10lbs on you and then start the stronger compounds. I think jumping into tren/npp/dbol right off the bat is far too extreme.
Also, clean up your diet majorly. Gaining 12 lbs of fat in about 12 weeks isn't good. You should at the very least be able to maintain your weight or bf%, if not, your diet probably needs a lot of work. I know life is hard on low test, but don't jump in too deep right off the bat brother. I'm not trying to kill your buzz, its great that you want to be in shape and you've done the right thing by coming and asking peoples opinion. I don't want you to get hurt or bite off more than you can chew, thats all.

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Current stats:
43yrs. Old
200lbs.
5'9"
BF% w/o 3 point calipers roughly 12-15%





Hello im new to this board but not the game. Recently i went to a TRT dr. And was offered HCG instead of test. My test levels came back in the low 300's. Prior to my appt. I stopped using my test 400 which was a cyp enan. blend must of had a long ester chain in it such as decanoate or undecanaote no reason my levels should have been 2!
Anyways over the last 12-16 weeks Ive gained a solid 12lbs pure fat giving my appearance a flat look.
AAS on hand:
Dbol 100ct. 20mgs 1-5 or 6wks max
All products are Geneza and inected M/W/F
Test cyp 250x3
Test Prop 100 x 2
Tren ace x 2
Winstrol 10 mgs. 100ct mostly for reducing SHBG
Dragon NPP150 x 4
Can always souce more off each depending on decided cycle.
Figure since i always hit a brick wall after 8wks due to Myostatin peaking or whatever the culprit. I've tried changing chemicals upping kcals etc. to no avail.
I figure by using Tren off the rip ill get its full benefits b4 Myo prevents this. However i also know keeping high androgens helps to cont. burning fat cals.
PLZ take the time to review my agents and how you would advice me to proceed. Im not opposed to cont. my cycle for unwards of 16 weeks if warranted. I cam source my anabolics quite quickly.
Goal are: Recomp w emphasis on 10-12lbs. Lean muscle w a reduction in visceral fat.
Thanks in advace for any and all input!!

For starters this is a really complicated cycle that is all over the place and hardly having an actually principles or direction...

Unless you're getting blood work, I wouldn't add all these compounds, espially with npp,tren and dbol...You're setting yourself up for prolactin related issues (elevated prolactin blood serum)..You're firing all all over the place here, targeting cellular groups in every other direction..

Drop the winny (sub with proviron if you want better/lower SHBG levels and more bio avail free test with less circulating estrogen)..Drop the tren ace and increase the NPP 100mgs EOD (tren is great for theromogensis, bit so is diet and cardio, kill the cardio with out killing your cardio from tren) ...scrap the test prop and stick with the cyp..

Don't read into myo levels to much, they will go up and down, but not enough to greatly effect your results entirely..Levels do drop around 10 weeks..

Get your diet in check and forget the compounds that you have layed out... increase the intensity with your lifts, and hit more cardio..

And yes,Higher/more potent the androgen binds to the androgen receptors, the greater the lipolytic response will be on adipose tissue (brown or white), but your diet and cardio with test will do just this.. Don't under estimate the power of test!

The reason i jumped off my self prescribed Trt dose was because i am finally at a mens wellness center. My current test levels are 134ng! He immediately put me on Cyp to try and balance my levels between 1000-1500ng w 50 Viagra pills. If i use the Cyp the ester will show up on my next blood panel is 3 months time. I will just grab 3 more bottles of prop 100 amd run 600mgs. Weekly. I need npp due to my right shoulder. The added lubrication literally works miracles. So you suggest 600mgs prop 450npp for the first 6-7wks. Then Tren 100mg eod with cont. Prop at 600 and npp @ 450 weekly?

Originally Posted by VallieFlag

By the way 200lbs, 5'9, 15% bf, you're definitely not ready for test/tren/npp/dbol. I would take a few months to lose that 12lbs again, gain a few lbs of muscle and then reasses. Maybe do test/dbol first, get a good extra 5-10lbs on you and then start the stronger compounds. I think jumping into tren/npp/dbol right off the bat is far too extreme.
Also, clean up your diet majorly. Gaining 12 lbs of fat in about 12 weeks isn't good. You should at the very least be able to maintain your weight or bf%, if not, your diet probably needs a lot of work. I know life is hard on low test, but don't jump in too deep right off the bat brother. I'm not trying to kill your buzz, its great that you want to be in shape and you've done the right thing by coming and asking peoples opinion. I don't want you to get hurt or bite off more than you can chew, thats all.

I was able to maimtain my bodyweight amd muscle w only 150/200mg weekly w self precribed TRT. Once i came off of everyrhing entirely i cont. A very scrct diet and almost excessive cardio. 5 days weekly cont to hir the weights bit within a good months time everytging began to deteriorate. W test levels like i had no wonder why. I think your spot on w over using my range of chemicals but if i am to extend my cycle to 16 weeks total. Would you add in the Tren ace. In the beginning or after the 1st 8wks of use? I decided i am bulking the 1st 8wks then recomping for the next 8-10wks as needed.
While i was B&Cing gains are never anything like fiving your receptors a full 4 months off of everything. All suggestions how to custom taylor my cycle is extremely appreciated. Thanks Vallieflag

If i were you I would use NPP instead of tren. Maybe people use NPP and bulk successfully. Try to add compounds one at a time so you can see how you react and write everything down, all your dosages, how it makes you feel, sides you get etc. And after a few years you'll have a little bible on how each compounds affects you and then you will be able to decide on a better cycle. 134ng is very low, you are perfect candidate for TRT so keep doing what you're doing on that front.

Just be careful of doing a cycle that consists of a bulk and then a recomp at the end. You're better off doing just a bulk or just a cut, not trying to incorporate both. Thats my opinion, others might not agree, but thats how I feel you get the best results.