cutting cycle thoughts :)

**yesidont** · 03-19-2017, 04:44 PM

w1-w17 - HGH 2,5 ui ED ( 1,25 before breakfast and 2nd shot after 6h )
w3-w6 - T-bol - 30mgED, 40mgED, 40mgEd, 30mgED
W5-w12 - T Prop 50-100mg EOD
W10-w13 - var 40mg ED
W10-w13 - HCG 500mg E3D

PCT from 14th week nolva and clomid

and about E2 and prolactin levels ill made blood levels E2W and add caber, nolva or AI if nedeed

i want to run it in this way becuse i dont want to start all the same time, i rather to give my body time to get used to it and feel how it works, also when ill made blood levels ill will see the differences so i will know how each gear works on me. I dont want to gain much, rather to get good quality gains and lose as much fat as i can

**cajun504** · 03-19-2017, 06:02 PM

I think its a mess bro, hgh is a waste and you're running orals with no test. Not following the hcg use at the end either. Definitely won't need caber... Just run prop at 500 mgs a week for 12 weeks and finish with 5 weeks of var or tbol. Keep it simple.

**Electromass** · 03-19-2017, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by cajun504

I think its a mess bro, hgh is a waste and you're running orals with no test. Not following the hcg use at the end either. Definitely won't need caber... Just run prop at 500 mgs a week for 12 weeks and finish with 5 weeks of var or tbol. Keep it simple.

I'm in complete agreement with Cajun here!! This is a complete waste of gear here bro. Even the var and Tbol need to be run at 6 weeks minimum, not 3. If you do this all it will do is whack out your system and you will gain nothing.

**yesidont** · 03-19-2017, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by cajun504

I think its a mess bro, hgh is a waste and you're running orals with no test. Not following the hcg use at the end either. Definitely won't need caber... Just run prop at 500 mgs a week for 12 weeks and finish with 5 weeks of var or tbol. Keep it simple.

why HGH is a waste ?? i was on GH the same like i wrote here after 3 weeks i lose lot of fat, gain about 3 KG and noticed that i was really stronger.
i dont need test level higher than 800-1000 thats why my max will be 300mgof prop Per week ( more important is free test level ) so ill can up dosage after blood levels.

**EJR** · 03-19-2017, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by yesidont

why HGH is a waste ?? i was on GH the same like i wrote here after 3 weeks i lose lot of fat, gain about 3 KG and noticed that i was really stronger.
i dont need test level higher than 800-1000 thats why my max will be 300mgof prop Per week ( more important is free test level ) so ill can up dosage after blood levels.

100 test p EOD will work (350mg a week), use 1 of the orals for a 4 week kick start and the other for the last 4 weeks. Save the HCG for PCT after your done with the test. Don't do the Mon, Wed, Fri injection nonsense, you want your levels stable which means EOD (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat, repeat). Cycle starts when you start taking test. Unless you're sensitive to estrogen sides you shouldn't need an AI, just have some on hand in case. Good luck Bro.

**yesidont** · 03-19-2017, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Electromass

I'm in complete agreement with Cajun here!! This is a complete waste of gear here bro. Even the var and Tbol need to be run at 6 weeks minimum, not 3. If you do this all it will do is whack out your system and you will gain nothing.

yes i know about var and tbol, but i add tbol only to have higher free test level at the beginning and i was thinking about 4 weeks

lest change it on this:

W1-W6 tbol
W3-W10 prop 50-100mg EOD ( depends on test and free test levels )
and GH 2-3 weeks earlier than tbol till 2-3weeks after PCT so it will be about 4 months

**EJR** · 03-19-2017, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by yesidont

yes i know about var and tbol, but i add tbol only to have higher free test level at the beginning and i was thinking about 4 weeks

lest change it on this:

W1-W6 tbol
W3-W10 prop 50-100mg EOD ( depends on test and free test levels )
and GH 2-3 weeks earlier than tbol till 2-3weeks after PCT so it will be about 4 months

Like Cajun said you really don't want to run any orals (or injectables for that matter) without test as your base.

**ilfirin** · 03-19-2017, 08:27 PM

Start the test prop at week 1

**yesidont** · 03-19-2017, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by EJR

100 test p EOD will work (350mg a week), use 1 of the orals for a 4 week kick start and the other for the last 4 weeks. Save the HCG for PCT after your done with the test. Don't do the Mon, Wed, Fri injection nonsense, you want your levels stable which means EOD (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat, repeat). Cycle starts when you start taking test. Unless you're sensitive to estrogen sides you shouldn't need an AI, just have some on hand in case. Good luck Bro.

Im only sensitive to DHT and have very high prolactin level.
HCG will increase E2 level as far as i know but if i would take it thru PCT it shouldnt be a problem ??

**yesidont** · 03-19-2017, 08:48 PM

to be honest my point of use Tbol before test is :

1. want to se how my body reacts on tbol ( cos its the only gear that i didnt used before )
2. dont want to start all at once ...
3. i will be a " lab rat ", thru all cycle ill made blood levels E2W becuse i didnt saw it on forums, so we will see how body reacts to tbol ( e2, test, free test, prolactin, progesterone, and liver enzymes )

after that i may say if someone ask about Tbol a bit more than now