Questions, HELP, INFO....appreciated.

[K. Bone]

Hey what's going on I'm new to this forum and it's the first bodybuilding forum I've ever joined. I'm 34 years of age and I've been lifting for 5 to 6 years and I recently decided to try anabolics. This is my first run and even though I've read a thousand different things and I have a good friend who does seem to know what he's talking about, I still would like to know collectively from a community. The guy I know and who is my friend seems very knowledgeable from what to start on my run to the importance of PCT when I cycle off. However I'm also looking for my own source. I'm planning to run a cycle of test and deca of 4 months and I don't have all the info on me I'm at break at work writing this. I'm paying $440 for half my cycle right now which is 4 of each of those. 4 bottles. I forget the amount. I've got it wrote down. Anyway does that sound like a realistic amount to pay or is there some where I can go? If so please PM me and I hope I'm not in violation of any rules. Is that to much? A cycle of test and deca alone costing $880 for 4 months? Is deca and test a good start? What do I need to know to properly run a cycle? I'm a healthy guy and have a great build but I'm looking to enhance even more but safely and cost affective and properly. Please any help and info is appreciated. I am new so I apologize if what I have posted is redundant or answered some where else. There is just a HUGE amount of areas to read through. Thanks.

[bigeyed]

I'm assuming this is for underground gear. So, for 4 bottles of test, 4 bottles of deca =$440? That's not a horrible price. Remember you also have shipping, transaction fees for WU or Bit and customs. Sometimes it's nice just to get it directly from a source and not worry about it. There are definitely risks with that also. Be careful with who knows you have it. I'm sure your going to get the response from everyone to check out the site and check out the sources. You can figure out what it should cost in a few hours of looking and a general idea of how to run it. Look at the promos, give aways, auctions and different contests on this site. My recommendation is to get all your gear before you blast. I'd start with one compound first, test, to see how your? body react and what sides you notice. I'd also run it for 12 or so weeks. Take your time and enjoy it. You don't have to be the biggest guy on the block just yet.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

[K. Bone]

Right on man. Well that amount is for half the cycle so double that is the full amount. But you say that's pretty decent? And thanks for the info, but I've already purchased and should be getting it next week. Can I save my deca? Does it have a shelf live or anything? I will also have all I need for my PCT. I guess I should mention I did run a cycle a long time ago from an unreliable source, it's been some years and for my first cycle ever I ran teen and test but didn't know till later I shouldn't have done that. I responded well other than no doing a proper PCT. When I came off I had what was said to be nolvadex but now looking back I'm not sure. This guy is an actual friend and knowledgeable. I was just checking around. But you say still just run test? And man this site is so big I'm looking around, but yet to have found a source if I wanted to purchase. If you could PM and guide me a little in that department it would be great. I just don't want to be stuck up shit creek if something was to happen and I needed something. Which I'm planning on getting everything up front. I appreciate your time and response and if you get time again maybe help stear me a little better, and if not thanks anyway for the help and.

[NightHawkDC2]

Here's my free advice...take it for what it's worth: If you've never delved into this, start with ONE compound at a moderate dose. You don't have any clue about how your system will react to the compounds. The gold standard beginner cycle is 500mg Testosterone Cyp or Enanthate per week. You could go a BIT higher, you could go lower. Personally, I started at 300mg/wk. It's supraphysiological, and I'm cutting. So, in my estimation, higher doses would be wasted on me.

Figure out how your body likes Test before throwing in another compound. Test is something you already have (albeit much lower amounts). You're just increasing the amount of something already in your system. So, the only things you need to get are enough Testosterone for your cycle and some aromatase inhibitors (just in case--as I said, you MAY not need them, but it would suck NOT to have them if you need them).

Deca is a Nandrolone compound...something not present naturally. Also, the ester is LONG. It stays in your system a LONG time. WTF are you going to do if you react unfavorably to the Nandrolone when you pinned a decanoate ester? Isn't shit you can do. You are just going to have to wait it out. IF you're going to try a Nandrolone, try a shorter ester (NPP), but then you're adding a whole other level of complication to your cycle. You're going from pinning 1-2x/wk to pinning every other day for the NPP. Also, for some reason, Deca hits some people hard...and is harder to bounce back from.

This is not an endeavor to take lightly. Read, read, read. Gather information. Learn about the compounds, what they do, their side effects, how long they stay with you, etc. Just jumping into this shit & doing what your friend told you is a "good cycle" is a GREAT way to seriously fuck yourself up if you don't know what you're doing. You don't know what to watch out for. You don't know how to address them if you see them. WTF are you going to do if you can't get in touch w/ your friend? Pick his brain, get his input, but for God's sake, don't DEPEND on him.

I just noticed that you already bought the Deca. Yeah. You can save it. I'm sure it'll be good for a year+. If I were in your shoes, I'd run a 10-12 wk cycle of 400-600mg/wk of Test C or E. Pin twice weekly, and be watching for estrogen sides. Assess how you respond to the compound. Have your diet & training dialed in (paramount importance).

[bigeyed]

Couldn't have said it better, nighthawk. Solid advice you just got. Now start educating yourself on this site. Learn what aromatase inhibitor (AI) do and how to use them. Plan out what SERMS you will use for post cycle therapy (PCT). Make sure you have this all on hand before you start. Get a blood test done before you start to find out where your levels are at. Get bloods around 4 to 6 weeks in and check on your test and estrogen (e2) levels. You don't want to crash your estrogen and you don't want it too high or your going to have problems. I was having some bloating issues and found out my potassium levels were too high. Now I know not to supplement it in my cycle. Like said above, you need to put together a plan and have contingencies in place before you start. Geek out on the info and build spreadsheets or input it all in a calendar before you start. Create some folders or bookmarks to keep each category available for when and if you need it. Confirm and verify what you read and hear with other sources. This site has the best, consistent, reliable data I've come across. That's not to say there isn't bad information here, but for the most part it's solid. Keep studying my friend. You are going to love it!

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

[Woods]

Night hawk has given u great advice !! Always have ur AI and PCT on hand before u start every cycle . Do what we call leg work (reading) and lots of it!! All the information u need is right here .

[VallieFlag]

Thats about double what you should pay tbh. You may be okay with that as the danger is taken out of the equation for you but for most, that would be too much. What UGL brand btw?

And yeah, dont do deca. Its one of the hardest to recover from. I would suggest test only and if you absolutely HAVE to have another compound, tbol is perfect and pretty safe.