Second cycle advice

[CRobin]

Hey brothers trying to figure some stuff out. Going to start my second cycle soon. The first started at 350mg of test p a week and I brought that up to about 450 towards the end. Which lasted 11 weeks. The side effects I had were high bp due to the water retention. This time I'd like to run the test p at 150 to 200 mg per week and have another compound to pair with it that will keep the water retention down and the gains up. I have been trying to decide between npp, mast p and equipoise what are your thoughts? Combined I'll be running 450 mg so 150 mg test p and 300 mg of another compound weekly which will be my main driving compound. Love to hear your opinions! Also I am trying to do it this way and avoid using ai's.


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[Delta5]

Depends on your goals. Ive run Test P and NPP a few times. Your water retention is from not using an AI...Aromasin is my choice. Personally I'd bump Test up to 200-250 minimum, 300-400 NPP...but again, depends on your goals. Some other guys on here will dial you in better than I can on the Mast or EQ. Ive never run those 2, I genetically have extremely low BF and and have to eat like a horse to feed my frame.
You may be able to get away with no AI with 150 Test and Mast or EQ ? Not schooled on that tho. Again, state your stats and your goals and youll get some top notch advice here from the other guys.

[CRobin]

Hey delta thank you for the response! I have aromasin on hand but would like to formulate a cycle where it is not needed as what I've read the ai's kill your cholesterol levels and your estrogen which limits growth and are just overall worse for you then the anabolics themselves. I'm 6'0 185 at 15% bf. I would like to continue Leaning out and achieve those slow keepable gains which I know has a lot to do with what I'm doing in the gym and my diet but I would like to Keep the anabolics mild and I want to find a good pair and ratio so that the anabolics themselves balance each other out.


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[Delta5]

Youre welcome. You have a good plan laid out here...but...AI's do not kill your E2 unless u take too much, its about balance, not elimination...Pretty sure they dont kill your cholesterol either. Yes, u need some estrogen...but not too much nor too little...balance.
Stay tuned here and let some vets chime in, youll get great, experienced advice. Im sure better, than what you have read/heard about with the AI's, etc.

[CRobin]

Right thanks delta and bump! I'm leaning towards test p and npp but confused on the ai and caber usage I know there a bunch of people that opt to keep things balanced enough to not need ai or caber but don't want to risk prolactin sides either thinking caber at .25 e3d ? And aromasin 12.5 e2d? Test at 200 and npp at 300


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[Ragnor]

Hey delta thank you for the response! I have aromasin on hand but would like to formulate a cycle where it is not needed as what I've read the ai's kill your cholesterol levels and your estrogen which limits growth and are just overall worse for you then the anabolics themselves. I'm 6'0 185 at 15% bf. I would like to continue Leaning out and achieve those slow keepable gains which I know has a lot to do with what I'm doing in the gym and my diet but I would like to Keep the anabolics mild and I want to find a good pair and ratio so that the anabolics themselves balance each other out.


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Okay an AI isnt going to kill anything unless you run it wrong,as far as blood numbers it's all false positives on results.I am reading that you wanna lean out correct.By your stats you need to lean gain,put on some weight while keeping bf down.Honestly can you post a pic to go off of man,I'll give you the 100 on everything and see what you can achieve.I'm very experienced in what your wanting to do bur honestly I can tell you your already on the wrong path.I don't give shit to down anyone I actually like helping guys out and directing them in the right direction.

Viking King

[Delta5]

Ragnor is your man CRobin...agreed on all above and he is deff more experienced than me...and he deff wud have won the biceps contest ha!! See u there next time Bro.

Hes an excellent source for u CRobin. In fact, after u, I might hit him for some info!!

[PAiN]

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