Thread: Second Cycle Options: 500mg Test E or 500mg Test E/300mg Deca

So, the calipers arrived and the chart says 14.6 BF%. As it is I think I need to forget about bulking as I didn't think I had gotten that fat and it seems like the consensus here. I'd rather do a cycle and cut a lot of fat while maintaining muscle than to cut then do a cycle to bulk. It seems like a smarter thing to do. @190 if I can cut 1.5lb a week for 8-9 weeks and I'd be in a good position to maintain a while before bulking. I was thiniking Test P/NPP 300mg EOD but wanted to see what everyone else thinks.

Originally Posted by Cratos

So, the calipers arrived and the chart says 14.6 BF%. As it is I think I need to forget about bulking as I didn't think I had gotten that fat and it seems like the consensus here. I'd rather do a cycle and cut a lot of fat while maintaining muscle than to cut then do a cycle to bulk. It seems like a smarter thing to do. @190 if I can cut 1.5lb a week for 8-9 weeks and I'd be in a good position to maintain a while before bulking. I was thiniking Test P/NPP 300mg EOD but wanted to see what everyone else thinks.

Sounds like a better way to go, but I would consider throwing in Anavar at 25-50 mgs a day. I know you say money is an issue but running good quality gh and some clen will significantly increase your results. You want to do this shit right bro, and This is one of those things where if you can't afford this lifestyle you might want to get a better paying job.

I agree with Bulkcut-- NPP would better suit you in this situation to gain lean mass. I sometimes pin the DECA at 400mg pw in 2 shots but also run a vial of NPP pinning ED 1CC for the first 10 days. It shoots my levels up and gives the DECA the chance to build up in your body. I love NPP -- it gives me that lean look while packing on mass at the same time- I don't mind pinning ED either so short esters are my preference.

^^That being said--Test prop is my go to choice. Higher percentage of the hormone to the ester --So I generally run the prop with NPP (or Sust with the NPP) with an oral ED. Just my preference to keep short esters together--the results are excellent-Lose fat, pack on lean mass and just feel like fuckin superman all day lol.

Running test and Deca together is a great cycle--Test E and Deca are the longer esters--Maybe try like 14 days of a short ester blast (NPP and Prop) while also pinning the long esters.Will give your body a jump start to the cycle and still give the longer esters time to build up and circulate through your system --for me The jump start helps bc I see and feel results within 2 weeks which increases my overall motivation as well.

Best of Luck to you bro.

Originally Posted by Cratos

I might be wrong but the only difference is the ester weight I believe. For example, test prop is 25-30% more effective then Test E or C because it has that much more test in it. What's your experience been?

Think he meant it evens out since u atleast need deca for like 12 weeks and it takes 6 to kick in vs npp which u can run a shorter length and get similar results since the ester is smaller and it kicks in fairly quickly


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Originally Posted by Electromass

Sounds like a better way to go, but I would consider throwing in Anavar at 25-50 mgs a day. I know you say money is an issue but running good quality gh and some clen will significantly increase your results. You want to do this shit right bro, and This is one of those things where if you can't afford this lifestyle you might want to get a better paying job.

I do plan learning the in's and outs of gh and insulin but was considering that several months down the road after I know the topic really well. I have little information on both and those two can fuck you up if you do it wrong. Any recommended articles, videos, or places to learn the best infor on them?

Also, I am assuming you were saying to run Anavar, gh, and clen istead of test/npp right?

Originally Posted by Sqwuidd

I agree with Bulkcut-- NPP would better suit you in this situation to gain lean mass. I sometimes pin the DECA at 400mg pw in 2 shots but also run a vial of NPP pinning ED 1CC for the first 10 days. It shoots my levels up and gives the DECA the chance to build up in your body. I love NPP -- it gives me that lean look while packing on mass at the same time- I don't mind pinning ED either so short esters are my preference.

^^That being said--Test prop is my go to choice. Higher percentage of the hormone to the ester --So I generally run the prop with NPP (or Sust with the NPP) with an oral ED. Just my preference to keep short esters together--the results are excellent-Lose fat, pack on lean mass and just feel like fuckin superman all day lol.

Running test and Deca together is a great cycle--Test E and Deca are the longer esters--Maybe try like 14 days of a short ester blast (NPP and Prop) while also pinning the long esters.Will give your body a jump start to the cycle and still give the longer esters time to build up and circulate through your system --for me The jump start helps bc I see and feel results within 2 weeks which increases my overall motivation as well.

Best of Luck to you bro.

Front loading with the short esters is a great idea.

Originally Posted by Cratos

I do plan learning the in's and outs of gh and insulin but was considering that several months down the road after I know the topic really well. I have little information on both and those two can fuck you up if you do it wrong. Any recommended articles, videos, or places to learn the best infor on them?

Also, I am assuming you were saying to run Anavar, gh, and clen istead of test/npp right?



Front loading with the short esters is a great idea.

Negative bro, I'm saying in addition to test and npp. In my opinion, I would run test prop, npp, Anavar gh, and clen.
I think you would get the results you're looking for with this type of cycle.