Thread: Second Cycle Options: 500mg Test E or 500mg Test E/300mg Deca

Goal:
Lean mass gain.

Pre Cycle Stats:
Age: 27
Height: 5’7
Weight: 190lb
BF%: 15%? Abs slightly faded

Diet:
Calories: 4600-4700
Fish Oil: 2g
Niacin: 1.8g
CoQ10: 200mg
Curcumin: 200mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid 400mg

Training:
4.5 years training experience with a focus on powerlifting. Last years meet PR’s were 420 High Bar Squat/265 Pause Bench/455 Deadlift (stiff bar) @181.

Second Cycle Options: 500mg Test E or 500mg Test E/300mg Deca
The goal of my first cycle was lean mass gain and I gained a net of 8lb (182-190lb) on 4300 calories day with 400mg Test E for 14 weeks pinned 2x/week.

Originally, I had planned on going from 400mg to 600, 800, 1g seeing how I react to just test before trying other compounds, however, from several sources it seems around 500mg is the sweet spot for most. So, I was thinking of adding in 300mg Deca (have caber on hand) and seeing how this cycle goes instead of doing 500 and then next time adding the Deca. I'm all for slow and steady gains but 100mg difference doesn't seem all that big for progress. Input would be appreciated!

Slowly working up is a good idea if you can make gains on lower doses why bump it up too much. That being said 600 isn't a big dose. I would bump it to 600 and add npp at 300 instead of deca. Less bloat and don't have to run it as long. Most guys I know now that love deca are switching to npp. I also compete in powerlifting and it's a staple in my blasts.


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The cost thing kinda evens out though with the consideration that you can run less npp for the same desired effect and you don't have to run it as long either. I've found deca shuts me down waaay hard for some reason and I always bounce back from npp much faster


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Originally Posted by kaneman

The cost thing kinda evens out though with the consideration that you can run less npp for the same desired effect and you don't have to run it as long either. I've found deca shuts me down waaay hard for some reason and I always bounce back from npp much faster


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I might be wrong but the only difference is the ester weight I believe. For example, test prop is 25-30% more effective then Test E or C because it has that much more test in it. What's your experience been?

Originally Posted by Cratos

I might be wrong but the only difference is the ester weight I believe. For example, test prop is 25-30% more effective then Test E or C because it has that much more test in it. What's your experience been?

propionate is about 80% of hormone the rest is the ester the Enanthate is more or less 70% ,the Cypionate is more or less 69%

Originally Posted by bulk_cut

For you, the big difference is going to be Deca lingers in your body for a long time and can make recovery difficult if you're not on TRT. NPP is in and out of your system quickly and don't have to worry about it affecting your PCT. IMHO NPP is a far superior product for people like you. It is definitely worth the extra money and if cost is an issue you whould save up a little longer for it.

I also suggest 500mg/test/week and 400mg/NPP/week. You won't need caber but will an AI which i suggest using Aromasin on cycle AND during PCT.

GOOD LUCK!!!

Thanks for the input man! I'm not on TRT but am strongly considering blasting and cruising as fertility is not an issue for me. I got a vasectomy earlier this year with the birth of my boy.

I know the whole caber prolactin prolactin myth is due to high estrogen but I got 8 tabs just in case I would need it one day (like if an AI is bunk). Arimidex worked real nicely with the first cycle. Would you still suggest aromasin through the cycle if someone wasn't doing a "pct"?

Originally Posted by korsaire

propionate is about 80% of hormone the rest is the ester the Enanthate is more or less 70% ,the Cypionate is more or less 69%

Thanks for the clarification. I knew those two were around 70% but heard prop was 95+%, I didn't fact check it.

Originally Posted by Cratos

Thanks for the clarification. I knew those two were around 70% but heard prop was 95+%, I didn't fact check it.

Korsaire nailed the Ester weights, Prop is 20% ester weight.

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