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Originally Posted by
bigmills
Definitely I agree with you brother if you can tolerate it go ahead and do it and if it's cool with you I'm asking for a favor when I ask these questions but don't base your decision on me having dhb because I have access or have every compound there is and always keep letro, Arimidex,and aromasin on hand even caber for when I used to run deca. If it's cool with you base my cycle on putting on the most size possible keep in mind I am a hardgainer and my body fat stays around 7%. Thanks for your advice brother..
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In that case I would go for this cycle for quality gains...
Week 1 to 4..
Test Cyp
1-Test Cyp
Nandrolone Cyp
Sdrol
HGH or IGF1
Insulin
EPO
Week 5 to 12
Test Cyp
Nandrolone Cyp
Primobolan E (if you can get blend this in Cyp do that)
Anavar
HGH or IGF1
Insulin
EPO
Week 12-16
Test Cyp
1-Test Cyp
Nandrolone Cyp (I would switch to Tren here but it gives you jitters so avoid)
Primobolan E (if you can get blend this in Cyp do that)
Winstrol
HGH or IGF1
Then PCT or Stay cruising around 300 to 400 Test Cyp
Note.. As you may know AAS only help in muscle hypertrophy... HGH and IGF1 are for muscle hyperplasia... Slin and EPO can be deadly but done correctly in small amounts will help massively in hyperplasia from HGH or IGF1. Not recommended by any means, especially EPO which i personally have never run but man it can be great addition to HGH and Slin. Ive seen results from the 3 prong approach to hyperplasia and those gains are forever.
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Originally Posted by
EV1X
In that case I would go for this cycle for quality gains...
Week 1 to 4..
Test Cyp
1-Test Cyp
Nandrolone Cyp
Sdrol
HGH or IGF1
Insulin
EPO
Week 5 to 12
Test Cyp
Nandrolone Cyp
Primobolan E (if you can get blend this in Cyp do that)
Anavar
HGH or IGF1
Insulin
EPO
Week 12-16
Test Cyp
1-Test Cyp
Nandrolone Cyp (I would switch to Tren here but it gives you jitters so avoid)
Primobolan E (if you can get blend this in Cyp do that)
Winstrol
HGH or IGF1
Then PCT or Stay cruising around 300 to 400 Test Cyp
Note.. As you may know AAS only help in muscle hypertrophy... HGH and IGF1 are for muscle hyperplasia... Slin and EPO can be deadly but done correctly in small amounts will help massively in hyperplasia from HGH or IGF1. Not recommended by any means, especially EPO which i personally have never run but man it can be great addition to HGH and Slin. Ive seen results from the 3 prong approach to hyperplasia and those gains are forever.
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Looks good and I add insulin and igf to every cycle, but have never heard of adding EPO. I will have to do my research is on that. What would you run you deca,and test at? Considering I am gyno prone?
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Originally Posted by
bigmills
Looks good and I add insulin and igf to every cycle, but have never heard of adding EPO. I will have to do my research is on that. What would you run you deca,and test at? Considering I am gyno prone?
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Yeah, EPO definitely has to be researched, lance armstring used it to win the tour de france 7 times but for BB it is used differently. Extremely dangerous but since you have experience with Slin and havent died, lol; you would be experienced enough. Here is the only Vid if found of true info in it...
Watch "Erythropoietin (EPO) In BodyBuilding" on YouTube
Erythropoietin (EPO) In BodyBuilding - YouTube
Test 500, the 1-Test Cyp and Nandrolone I would do 600 to 800, depends on you but you have cycle support so youll be gtg with gyno. You can always dial back.
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Originally Posted by
EV1X
Yeah, EPO definitely has to be researched, lance armstring used it to win the tour de france 7 times but for BB it is used differently. Extremely dangerous but since you have experience with Slin and havent died, lol; you would be experienced enough. Here is the only Vid if found of true info in it...
Watch "Erythropoietin (EPO) In BodyBuilding" on YouTube
Erythropoietin (EPO) In BodyBuilding - YouTube
Test 500, the 1-Test Cyp and Nandrolone I would do 600 to 800, depends on you but you have cycle support so youll be gtg with gyno. You can always dial back.
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Yeah that makes sense. instead of using short ester's mixed with the regular to start I rather just front load the DECA, test cyp, and dhb. 700 test 1000mg deca, and dhb for first 2 or 3 weeks? Also one other thing I think will benefit this cycle that I love is proviron?
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Proviron is always good imo due to SHBG and Free Test, and even though those compounds already give you some of that, it could help. I would only worry about androgen receptor saturation since it binds hard; but again, that is broscience and i think you could just throw some in and test it out.
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Front loading always good, specially if time is of concern and money is no object.
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Originally Posted by
BIGCASPER
NPP I HAVE RUN NUMEROUS TIMES OKAY! sorry caps...You will get the best results ED pinning..with NPP..true gains..ya you can get away with e3d
But super super stable flowing blood levels at ED pinning. Even the nan cyp.I would pin twice a week..just for the stability and to make sure I receive no roller costar effects.
I've pinned NPP EOD and ED. You are right, ED yields best results but I get reallllllly tired of ED pinning, even EOD pinning. I have never ran nan cyp. Would nandrolone cyp yield similar results to NPP or more so deca? I understand the compounds and esters but I truly believe NPP and deca are two totally different ballgames. I'm big boned so I don't do deconate due to bloat. Anywho, back to the original question, is nandrolone cyp going to be closer to NPP or deca?
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Originally Posted by
sackbird
I've pinned NPP EOD and ED. You are right, ED yields best results but I get reallllllly tired of ED pinning, even EOD pinning. I have never ran nan cyp. Would nandrolone cyp yield similar results to NPP or more so deca? I understand the compounds and esters but I truly believe NPP and deca are two totally different ballgames. I'm big boned so I don't do deconate due to bloat. Anywho, back to the original question, is nandrolone cyp going to be closer to NPP or deca? Thanks guys
Nan cyp is between the 2. yes it yields similar results more towards npp..just a lot less pinning.
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Originally Posted by
BIGCASPER
Nan cyp is between the 2. yes it yields similar results more towards npp..just a lot less pinning.
I have taken Deca in 2 different Cycles but never NPP. However I've always looked at Esters as just what they are I've never really looked at them like they actually change the compound or the results of that compound I know a lot of people do just like you said NPP doesn't get you as much bloat as regular deca. Being as though I'm a very hard Gainer and body fat is around 7%maybe 8 at the most I'm planning my next cycle and was going to go with 400 mg test C 600 mg dhb and 20 mg sdrol. For someone with the kind of body that I have you definitely think I should go with a regular deca correct? Also I do believe in either front loading or taking the shorter Ester like NPP with Deca until the longer Ester kicks in. What would you guys suggest when it comes to Deca and NPP, should I front load or should I run some NPP with my Deca until it fully kicks in?
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