Thread: Milk thistle

Go with LIV52 or TUDCA for liver support.

Tudca absolutely best in terms of actual real life measured results in real people doing what we do..


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5% liver defender is very good for the money


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Originally Posted by Darkmatter86

Milk thistle , hear its good for liver protection while on orals, have also heard it can hinder gains, so what is bull shit an what is truth

Silibin is a milk thissle derivative that works much better than milk thissle... u can use them together
Silimarin and silibin


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All those sups are over rated and junk...they work with some a small fraction, your blood work won't show a difference.. medical grade IV liver support is they only real support with actually real clinical findings... These liver supports won't hurt, but won't make a real difference.. just keep clean diet and eat right and drink plenty of fluid... Your liver will be stressed from training and high protein anyhow, orals and toxicity is a bit overrated (within reason)..

Originally Posted by Vision

All those sups are over rated and junk...they work with some a small fraction, your blood work won't show a difference.. medical grade IV liver support is they only real support with actually real clinical findings... These liver supports won't hurt, but won't make a real difference.. just keep clean diet and eat right and drink plenty of fluid... Your liver will be stressed from training and high protein anyhow, orals and toxicity is a bit overrated (within reason)..

Well opinions are like assholes and they all stink a little. In my case I have done Orals for 34 years in very moderate doses and used every single liver "supp" produced probably. I have gone off cycle and used no liver supplementing and had my AST and ALT take 6-9 months to normalize. My diet is spot on as an Athletic Trainer so it has always been beyond clean. I have used TUDCA off cycle and done bloods every two weeks and had levels go from nearly 200 for both ALT and AST get down to 35-50 for both in 2-2.5 months. I have also seen this same result plus or minus 10 percent with over 150 athletes I have trained over that same 30 year period. LIV 52 which I have tested over the last few years has shown it helps 40-50 percent of what we have seen from TUDCA and it's results. This is not bro science these are real, controlled environment results we have seen in a Professional practice over decades.


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TUDCA is used in clinical and therapeutic settings for liver damage caused by acetominofen poisoning. Granted, some data shows IV administration. Nonetheless, clinical data shows TUDCAs effectiveness in liver regeneration. It’s not “broscience” it’s real science backed by scientific data.

Good thread as I'm about to add my first oral. What's a good brand of Tudca?

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