Tren, prolactin & skullf*ckery!

[IRISHOAK]

Where do I start?
We all know that eventually, the tren is gonna start skull fucking us right?

Why? Don't androgens typically make you feel BETTER?

Im running tren e right now and as some of you know, my last one had to be cut short due to mental sides. Sucked. I was performing like a champ sexually and growing so I didnt take any caber. Other than taking long af to cum, and the dark circles under my eyes from lack of sleep & occasional acid reflux... there weren't really negative physical/sexual side effects.

This time around I got the caber first. I got sweats the first week, and noticed my orgasms weren't as easy to acheive by the end of week 2, nothing crazy but I noticed the diff. No big deal, I have caber!
I introduced it very low dose at the end of week 1 and 2. Only 0.5mg.

I got a lot of shit going on so I was also stressed.

Then a few days ago (heading into week 4) I started noticing the persistence of negative thoughts. I had shit to be upset about but, not being able to stop those thoughts even for a few hours, is the tren creeping in. My sex drive was high, hard as a rock but taking even longer cum. Like fuck for 45 min till Im dripping sweat and too hot to continue, taking a break for 15 min, and finally finishing like 30 min into round 2.

I had taken caber like 2 days prior so wtf? I took a 1mg dose and fell asleep a few hours later.

I had GOOD dreams for the first time in idk how long. I woke up feeling good. Not stressed, kinda looking forward to the day.
I did a bunch if research on trens relation to prolactin. I learned a few things:

1. Tren doesn't raise prolactin directly, it basically prevents your brain from recognizing hyperprolactinemia and it just keeps releasing it.
2. Stress alone is the most common reason for hyperprolactinemia in men.
3. Hyperprolactinemia causes a variety of common mental conditions that we attribute to the tren itself.

Read this....

[Hyperprolactinemia and psychological disturbance]
[Article in Portuguese]
M C Oliveira et al. Arq Neuropsiquiatr. 2000 Sep.
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Psychological symptoms, specially anxiety and depression, have been associated to hyperprolactinemia. To evaluate the presence of these symptoms, 32 patients (5 men and 27 women) with hyperprolactinemia of several etiologies and 15 individuals with normal prolactin levels were submitted to the Composed International Diagnostic Interview, followed by the Hamilton rating scale for depression. The serum prolactin, at the time of evaluation, ranged between 28 and 180 ng/mL. Eleven patients were receiving bromocriptine. The presence of anxiety was detected in 18 patients (56.2%) and 5 controls (32.2%), depression was detected in 10 patients (31.2%) and 2 controls (12.5%), dysthymia in 2 patients and other psychiatric diagnosis in 6 patients (18.7%). The scores of depression ranged between 16 and 31 for the patients, and were 12 and 16 for the controls. The frequency of psychiatric symptoms, as a whole, was significantly higher in the hyperprolactinemic patients (chi-square test), but the difference was not significant in isolated analysis of anxiety and depression. The hyperprolactinemia represents a risk of 3.52 for depression, 3.32 for anxiety and 3.84 for other psychiatric symptoms. There was no significant difference in the frequency of psychiatric symptoms among patients with or without pituitary adenomas nor users or not users of bromocriptine. There was no correlation (r=0,07) between prolactin and the frequency of psychiatric symptoms. These results emphasize the importance of a special attention to the concomitance of hyperprolactinemia and psychiatric disturbance, which will allow a specific therapeutic approach.

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Actions of Prolactin in the Brain: From Physiological Adaptations to Stress and Neurogenesis to Psychopathology.



Conclusion:

The combination of external stress & trenbolone can cause hyperprolactinemia much earlier than expected.
I think that much of the mental and physical/sexual negatives of a tren cycle can be alleviated by taking caber earlier in the cycle, and by increasing the dose as the cycle progresses.

Please feel free to add your tips, experiences & research.... Remember gents "We're in tren together"!

[Jetblack14316]

Nice read man!

So, what I gather. In addition to Caber, it is crucial to ensure that you are in a good place mentally before running Tren. Not that this shouldn’t be the case with any AAS as stress raises Cortisol and we know the implications of that. However it seems it’s more important with Tren.

I have only ran Tren Ace twice.

1. 10 weeks the first time and we were in a training phase with work and the workload was suuuuper low. Zero Caber (based on ignorance not education). I had zero issues and was good to go.

2. Opposite time frame and we were really busy and my wife and I were facing a lot of financial issues. No Caber again (ignorance). I was very emotional, crying like a bitch, couldn’t blow loads to save my life, but was stick jacked and strong as fuck. Worst part...gyno that was already onset from the ignorant use of PH’s 9 years ago just tripled in size. Have it removed now, as most have seen, but ya.


Great read IO.


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[maxmuscle1]

Great read. Made it easy for me to see into your experience. Thanks for the descriptive writing; I definitely notice a major difference when the need for Caber comes up. The worst side IMO is the Trensomnia combined with irrational overactive thoughts. If that begins, I know that it needs to be taken care of immediately. Anyone who is experienced with sides ends up finding their special way of remedying the problem; which may be dose related or other external issues. Loved reading it IO. I feel ya from here

Max

[Crosstop]

Great read! Thanks Oak! Man I know those feelings and the hard to cum issue! I used prami and worked for me but I prefer caber. Maybe need to up the dose on caber after reading this cause with prami I slept like a baby.


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[Mikeyz206]

NICE JOB IRISHOAK! I enjoyed the post. You are a quality Brother

[IRISHOAK]

I think its fair to say we all guinea pig ourselves lol! The best part, after all the shit we go through, is to find solutions and pass on experience.

Brotherhood.

[MarvelNerd]

This is very interesting. Having ran tren with and without caber it helps understand why I felt mad at world during one run. The next the sides weren’t as bad but I used caber and mast.

I was talking to a female nurse about the sides of clomid and tren. She was the first to relate them to the mood swings women experience. Makes sense since those hormones are elevated more naturally in women.

Makes we wonder if cortisol has an effect on any of this being the stress hormone. Very interesting to understand the psychological changes we create during these lab trials.


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[*XXL]

Great read. Thanks. I always load up on caber when Tren cycle. I start a week or two prior. I still get sides but not as bad. I can’t run Tren high anymore, else I will kill self or someone else. Not good.

[thebear]

Good shit . Thanks for sharing.

[maxmuscle1]

This is very interesting. Having ran tren with and without caber it helps understand why I felt mad at world during one run. The next the sides weren’t as bad but I used caber and mast.

I was talking to a female nurse about the sides of clomid and tren. She was the first to relate them to the mood swings women experience. Makes sense since those hormones are elevated more naturally in women.

Makes we wonder if cortisol has an effect on any of this being the stress hormone. Very interesting to understand the psychological changes we create during these lab trials.


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Cortisol is something that is always a factor: the good and the bad. Understanding all these hormones, the interactions is quite a job to figure out and it takes a long time to find a groove...then YOU change and back to square one! Guess that is why we all talk about it . Learning daily

Max