Advice from seasoned vets please!

**Almanks** · 02-10-2018, 08:28 AM

History: TRT for a couple years. Did one serious blast, where I increased my test-c to 400mg/wk, and added tren-e 400 mg/wk for 10 weeks. Half way through I started stair-stepping deca in as well (100mg/200mg/300mg, and then back down to 150mg for the remainder). I had to decrease the deca because it was causing some dysfunction. I gained strength and size, and was happy overall with my results. I had blood work done, and my test came back high, so my Dr. Reduced my TRT to just 100mg/wk. After dealing with him and his monthly check ups, I'm ready to blast again. I preemptively "geared" up (pun intended) and have some things on hand. I would really love if someone with some real know-how would tell me the best way to use what I have.

Right now: I'm about 245+/- lbs and somewhere around 28% bf. I'd like to get to 18-20% or better and still gain a little size, but the main concern is cutting.

What I have:
20ml test-c 200mg
10ml test-c 250mg
20ml tren-e 200mg
20ml EQ 200mg

I'm looking for the best way to utilize this product, in (preferably) a 10wk period. I have bloods to do again, and will need time to clean up and level out prior. Thanks in advance for anyone who takes the time to help with this.

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**DD79** · 02-10-2018, 08:44 AM

Just for the sake of making things easy, this is what you have on hand.

Wk 1-10
Test 500mg
EQ 400 mg
Tren 400 mg

I’m not saying this is the best, but it’s what you’ve got. You have enough test to run it higher, but I don’t see the point. Tren will obviously help with recomp, but diet is key. I know your worried about blood levels with the doc, but at 10 Weeks with the test and EQ, you’ll just be hitting your stride.

You said you ran tren before. I’m assuming you handle the sides well. No clue how your diet is, but at 28% bf, I’d say probably like mine and not dialed in right now!

Your on trt, so no pct concerns, but what about any adex or another AI just in case?

I’m sure others with more knowledge than me will chime in.

Good luck brother!

~-Respect, DD79-~

**Almanks** · 02-10-2018, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by DD79

Just for the sake of making things easy, this is what you have on hand.

Wk 1-10
Test 500mg
EQ 400 mg
Tren 400 mg

I’m not saying this is the best, but it’s what you’ve got. You have enough test to run it higher, but I don’t see the point. Tren will obviously help with recomp, but diet is key. I know your worried about blood levels with the doc, but at 10 Weeks with the test and EQ, you’ll just be hitting your stride.

You said you ran tren before. I’m assuming you handle the sides well. No clue how your diet is, but at 28% bf, I’d say probably like mine and not dialed in right now!

Your on trt, so no pct concerns, but what about any adex or another AI just in case?

I’m sure others with more knowledge than me will chime in.

Good luck brother!

~-Respect, DD79-~

Yeah, sides were minimal on tren. Didn't have any issues until I introduced the deca. Diet is not dialed in right now; it definitely fluctuates. If I front load on week 1, will that help me hit stride faster, so I can get the most out of a 10wk run? I just read PAIN's thread about front loading, and wondered if that would help me make the most out of the EQ. (I hear it works best on longer runs) Also, I am concerned about wasting product. Is that even a solid stack? Or should I just run 2 compounds, and shelf the other for another time?

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**Almanks** · 02-10-2018, 08:58 AM

Also, I have "Triazole" on hand. It was recommended to me by my previous source. Just an otc e-blocker. But I never even broke into it, during my last blast... Never had tender or itchy nipples, or even much acne. Just deca-dick, until I lowered the amount I was taking.

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**Sh0tsf1red** · 02-10-2018, 11:39 AM

Got to get the body fat down with diet as best you can a little bit before the next blast

**Weapon X** · 02-10-2018, 02:15 PM

If your main concern is cutting, you don’t need gear for that you just need to get your diet on point and do at least 90 minuets of cardio a day. Juice doesn’t cut you up, diet and cardio does.

**babybull34** · 02-10-2018, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Weapon X

If your main concern is cutting, you don’t need gear for that you just need to get your diet on point and do at least 90 minuets of cardio a day. Juice doesn’t cut you up, diet and cardio does.

^^^^ WX just gave you the truth of it all brother. The diet is everything. Get that in line and you will see significant changes with just clean food and working out. Once this is on point, considering what you have and your goals, I would suggest:

10 Week cycle
Test Cyp 300mg/wk
Tren E 400mg/wk

This will leave you with extra Test for the next run or your TRT cruise and I would shelve the EQ for another run. You don't have enough to run it properly nor long enough, so it makes no sense to add it in. Keeping your test low will limit estro-sides and hence limit progestin sides with the Tren. The Tren at 400mg/week will help you recomp nicely but again your DIET must be on point and you need to be training your @$$ off. With this stack, a clean diet, and hard training you should be able to get your BF down considerably and add some nice LM.

But remember, the AAS won't do the work for you. The fuel you put in and training you put your body through dictates your results. All the best, man.

**Machinegunmac** · 02-10-2018, 05:49 PM

Yea brother, if your at 28% I don't think I would run all these compounds
1) Tren will kill your cardio and you need it to get that body fat down

I would personally simply up your test to 500mg and maybe try a keto or low carb diet. Going to 500mg will help burn body fat . I would def get to at least 20% before adding in more compounds.

**Primemuscle** · 02-11-2018, 01:44 AM

I agree with Weapon on the cardio and diet dictating your gains. The gear won’t work unless you do brotha. So that means diet, cardio and training are all dialed in.

I also agree with what BB suggested in leaving out EQ for another run when you have some more so you can run it longer (14-18 weeks would be sufficient). So test/tren combo can definitely get the job done granted diet and cardio are dialed in a implemented consistently.

Food for thought tho: Machinegun made a good point about running test at 500mg and the diet suggestions to compliment that. I’m currently cutting on just test at 600mg a week and am loving it. So that is another option you can consider as well.

Yes tren can kill you cardio but it’s a matter of will. When I’m getting ready for a show there’s been times where I’ve had to do cardio 3x daily while run test/tren/mast stack and it wasn’t that bad. Again to me it’s just a matter of how much you want your goals. Sure cardio was a little more rough then usual but it’s doable.

So to conclude all that: dial in diet & cardio; be consistent daily. As far as cycle goes save EQ for another day. And then decide if you want to run test/tren stack or just test at a higher dose. Either one will get the job done as long as you’re doing your part

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**Almanks** · 02-11-2018, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Primemuscle

I agree with Weapon on the cardio and diet dictating your gains. The gear won’t work unless you do brotha. So that means diet, cardio and training are all dialed in.

I also agree with what BB suggested in leaving out EQ for another run when you have some more so you can run it longer (14-18 weeks would be sufficient). So test/tren combo can definitely get the job done granted diet and cardio are dialed in a implemented consistently.

Food for thought tho: Machinegun made a good point about running test at 500mg and the diet suggestions to compliment that. I’m currently cutting on just test at 600mg a week and am loving it. So that is another option you can consider as well.

Yes tren can kill you cardio but it’s a matter of will. When I’m getting ready for a show there’s been times where I’ve had to do cardio 3x daily while run test/tren/mast stack and it wasn’t that bad. Again to me it’s just a matter of how much you want your goals. Sure cardio was a little more rough then usual but it’s doable.

So to conclude all that: dial in diet & cardio; be consistent daily. As far as cycle goes save EQ for another day. And then decide if you want to run test/tren stack or just test at a higher dose. Either one will get the job done as long as you’re doing your part

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As I mentioned, I did a test/tren cycle before, with decent results. I pushed through and did cardio nearly every day. I bought the EQ, because I thought it would help supplement the cutting effectiveness of the stack. It sounds like you all don't think it's a good idea, right now. Admittedly, my diet hasn't been on point, but I can and will dial that in.
For clarification, you suggest a 500mg/wk test, with optional tren-e @ 400mg/wk?

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