Thread: High Tren and Low test nuts and bolts advice needed

- First question is are people running the tren the entire 12 weeks? On my high test and low tren cycles I typically quit running tren around week 8.

Most tend to run Tren as long as they can deal with the sides. Personally, I could not run Tren for 12 weeks, especially at 500mg of Tren Ace, but that is because of how I respond.

- Second question are you guys starting your test E or C with your tren ace on week 1? Or should I front load with test prop so that the tren is not running rampid by itself in my blood stream before the longer ester steroid (test E) really builds up.

You are correct that running a long ester test in combination with a short ester Tren without having the Test built up in your system is not a great idea. I would either run the Test for four weeks to make sure the cyp/enth esters are saturated in your system or add Test Prop in the first three to four weeks if you intend on starting the Tren right away. I would suggest the first approach.

- Third and last question is did you notice any trouble with libido?

Assuming you keep your estrogen in check, the progestin issues should not be a huge concern. With only 200mg of Test, high estrogen should not be an issue unless you are incredibly estro-sensitive. This is the benefit of the low test + high tren cycles, it limits the negative hormone sides, just not the Tren sides. Keep some caber on hand just in case though.

Give your desired 12 week cycle and the compounds you have on hand, I would suggest:

12 Week Cycle
Test Cyp 200mg/wk Weeks 1-12
Tren Ace 500mg/wk Weeks 5-12

Have you run Tren this high before? How do you normally handle Tren?

You could also try:

12 Week Cycle
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 200mg/wk
Weeks 3-4 Tren Ace 200mg/wk
Weeks 5-6 Tren Ace 300mg/wk
Weeks 7-8 Tren Ace 400mg/wk
Weeks 9-12 Tren Ace 500mg/wk

This will let you scale into the higher dose while assessing your response at each level and letting you control progestin build up. If you've areadly run Tren @ 500mg/week, and could handle it, then disregard this protocol.

Originally Posted by faceman

Thank you brother for your advice. I have not ran tren that high. I have ran tren ace at 350mg a week at the highest. My sides are typically night sweats, tren cough, and crazy dreams. I wouldnt by any stretch call them unmanageable. Nothing crazy like I hear other people have.

And in regards to the estrogen sensitivity. Im not crazy sensitive to estrogen. However I do bloat easy even on prop. Which is usually why I will only run test prop in any cycle. But I feel that low of test dose shouldnt be an issue with test E. I have only had a little gyno after PCT once after a heavy test,tren, masteron, and anavar cycle. But that went away after I hit it again with nolva for a few days.

That is good to hear, it appears that you handle Tren well. I would suggest the second protocol then to "test the waters".

12 Week Cycle
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 200mg/wk
Weeks 3-4 Tren Ace 200mg/wk
Weeks 5-6 Tren Ace 300mg/wk
Weeks 7-8 Tren Ace 400mg/wk
Weeks 9-12 Tren Ace 500mg/wk

This will let you see how far you can ride the dragon, first and foremost. Great info for future cycles. I also agree with you that Test E @ 200 per week should produce minimum bloat and estro issues. Still keep an AI and Caber on hand, just in case, but I doubt you will need either with this approach.

If this works well and you ramp all the way to 500mg/week and hold constant for four weeks with no issues, then congrats, you are one of the rare few who can tolerate Tren very well. If not, this protocol will let you find your ceiling on the dosage and you can hold it there in future cycles.

Good luck and enjoy the blast. Hope you get the gains your seeking.

Originally Posted by Sh0tsf1red

When you say low test cycle do you mean TRT?

I am am TRT patient on pharmacy provided 200mg test c forever, I'm sure it will actually increase over time

when I blast I usually add in 1-200mg of UGL test c a week and tren a 100mg EOD

i usually run that for 80-90 days, depending on when I have to see my TRT doc. When the tren runs out I just drop back to my TRT dose. I do not do any pct, again this is only because I'm a TRT patient. I really only use AI's when I'm running high and heavy on the 19 nors.

200 is high for TRT, but yes, that is the dosage he mentioned taking. I agree with you on the AI's.

Originally Posted by faceman

If i threw some masteron in there think i should run it side by side with the tren?

Run the Mast in tandem with the Test, they are very synergistic. The Mast increases the bio-availability of the Test, making your low-dose more impactful, and increases the free-test in your system. Additionally, Mast assists with some estro issues. Being that you are staying low test (200 per week) this will actually be a significant value add. Then as the Tren starts up, BAM, Test + DHT + Nor = GAINS.