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[kaneman]

So I have a client who is a pretty experienced powerlifters that I help out with cause he’s a noob to aas. I put him on a first timer cycle of 600mg test E a week. Ya I know a little high for first timer but this guy is a vet, trains hard as fuck and has his dietary degree so he’s good to go as far as eating right. He’s now like 8 weeks In and has shit to show for gains!! Says he just feels more tired if anything. About 4 weeks in he was complaining of not feeling anything so I switched his gear up to another very well known sponsors and added in 50mg dbol. I thought there’s no way he won’t grow like a MF off that!! It’s now another 4 weeks in and he’s pretty much at the same place as where he started. He’s gained 5-7 lbs but has no notice of strength gains or anything. Now I’m on the same sponsors gear at a cruise dose (just started my cycle last week) and I’m already seeing good notice of progress!! I’m at a loss of what it could be. He’s pulling bloods his week so we’ll see what hey say but I’m just soo confused cause I’ve been on the same shit and felt great!! Anyone have any ideas what could be hindering his gains!! He’s said before we started that he metabolizes shit super fast and it takes ungodly amount of booze to get him drunk and his meds always stop working after like a week. Is this even possible with aas???


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[350zsidewayzz]

So I have a client who is a pretty experienced powerlifters that I help out with cause he’s a noob to aas. I put him on a first timer cycle of 600mg test E a week. Ya I know a little high for first timer but this guy is a vet, trains hard as fuck and has his dietary degree so he’s good to go as far as eating right. He’s now like 8 weeks In and has shit to show for gains!! Says he just feels more tired if anything. About 4 weeks in he was complaining of not feeling anything so I switched his gear up to another very well known sponsors and added in 50mg dbol. I thought there’s no way he won’t grow like a MF off that!! It’s now another 4 weeks in and he’s pretty much at the same place as where he started. He’s gained 5-7 lbs but has no notice of strength gains or anything. Now I’m on the same sponsors gear at a cruise dose (just started my cycle last week) and I’m already seeing good notice of progress!! I’m at a loss of what it could be. He’s pulling bloods his week so we’ll see what hey say but I’m just soo confused cause I’ve been on the same shit and felt great!! Anyone have any ideas what could be hindering his gains!! He’s said before we started that he metabolizes shit super fast and it takes ungodly amount of booze to get him drunk and his meds always stop working after like a week. Is this even possible with aas???


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Sounds like me in terms of the metabolism thing


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[bigt87]

So I have a client who is a pretty experienced powerlifters that I help out with cause he’s a noob to aas. I put him on a first timer cycle of 600mg test E a week. Ya I know a little high for first timer but this guy is a vet, trains hard as fuck and has his dietary degree so he’s good to go as far as eating right. He’s now like 8 weeks In and has shit to show for gains!! Says he just feels more tired if anything. About 4 weeks in he was complaining of not feeling anything so I switched his gear up to another very well known sponsors and added in 50mg dbol. I thought there’s no way he won’t grow like a MF off that!! It’s now another 4 weeks in and he’s pretty much at the same place as where he started. He’s gained 5-7 lbs but has no notice of strength gains or anything. Now I’m on the same sponsors gear at a cruise dose (just started my cycle last week) and I’m already seeing good notice of progress!! I’m at a loss of what it could be. He’s pulling bloods his week so we’ll see what hey say but I’m just soo confused cause I’ve been on the same shit and felt great!! Anyone have any ideas what could be hindering his gains!! He’s said before we started that he metabolizes shit super fast and it takes ungodly amount of booze to get him drunk and his meds always stop working after like a week. Is this even possible with aas???


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Yes. Some people are hyper responders and can use very little......when they use high amounts it literally makes them sick and toxic. Other people are on the opposite end of the spectrum. He's either 1. Using some bunk gear, which you have already counted that out because you said it's working on you, or 2. 600 mg isn't doing jack shit for him. I would check his bloods. Play with different compounds and esters. I remember ppl telling me about the magic of my first cycle and how great it would be and I didn't see much of anything. Once my receptors really got saturated and I was into it a few months is when the gains started coming for me. Good luck. I know u probably feel like an asshole to ur friend right now ur like well shit. Lol. U will figure it out

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[kaneman]

Sounds like me in terms of the metabolism thing


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Really!?!? Even at 600mg and dbol!! I gained 30 lbs my first cycle off 500mg test for 12 weeks lol



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[350zsidewayzz]

Really!?!? Even at 600mg and dbol!! I gained 30 lbs my first cycle off 500mg test for 12 weeks lol



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Yeah maybe I take that back I gained 20 off of dmz only


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[kaneman]

Yes. Some people are hyper responders and can use very little......when they use high amounts it literally makes them sick and toxic. Other people are on the opposite end of the spectrum. He's either 1. Using some bunk gear, which you have already counted that out because you said it's working on you, or 2. 600 mg isn't doing jack shit for him. I would check his bloods. Play with different compounds and esters. I remember ppl telling me about the magic of my first cycle and how great it would be and I didn't see much of anything. Once my receptors really got saturated and I was into it a few months is when the gains started coming for me. Good luck. I know u probably feel like an asshole to ur friend right now ur like well shit. Lol. U will figure it out

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Thanks for the post. I’ll wait and see about bloods and go from there I guess. If he’s not a good responder will his bloods show normal levels or will his levels still be raised and he just doesn’t respond well to it?? Cause it would be hard to tell if bunk gear if the first is true and he’s just a shitty responder. Sorry if I made that confusing lol


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[bigt87]

Thanks for the post. I’ll wait and see about bloods and go from there I guess. If he’s not a good responder will his bloods show normal levels or will his levels still be raised and he just doesn’t respond well to it?? Cause it would be hard to tell if bunk gear if the first is true and he’s just a shitty responder. Sorry if I made that confusing lol


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Bloods will still show elevated levels. Just like someone who has a huge tolerance to alcohol will still fail a breathalyzer even if they're not drunk.

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[swolesteelers]

Maybe taking to much a i s also give him androl 100mg a day that should light his ass on fire tren base too lol that should work

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[kaneman]

Bloods will still show elevated levels. Just like someone who has a huge tolerance to alcohol will still fail a breathalyzer even if they're not drunk.

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Ok that’s what I figured. ThAnks!!


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[bigt87]

My prediction, total test will be very high, and free test will be low af.

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