Cycle prep, plan is coming together!

[T42]

Age: 35
Weight: 180
Height: 5'10"
BF%: 20%
Years of Training experience: 10+ off and on
# of previous cycles: 0
Diet Plan: increase from 2800 to 3500-4000
Cycle Goals: beast look @220 (is that possible?)

If your under 21, you don't need AAS, you just need to EAT, SLEEP & TRAIN.


I'm going to gain from a dirty 180 to lean 220 @5'10" and only 35 years old.
Current routine and during cycle (modified strength enhancement plan)
PPL Split x2wk (Push Pull Legs)
Heavy 1st M T W
AMQRAP 2nd Th F S
(As many quality reps as possible)
Cardio M W F (some weekends)


First cycle and I’m planning 3500-4000 increase from dirty 2800. Besides cannabis for sleep this is the following list of gear I want to cycle with. I NEED the gear in *bold as well as a friend or 2 to help with guidance. Please throw me a great deal of some very much needed constructive criticism as possible. Thanks a million and I am looking forward to meeting you guys.


Protein Gold Standard 1-2scoops ED
Optimum Nutrition Creatine 1scoop ED
OptiMen 3 vitamins ED
*Fish Oil ED
N.O. Explode Edge XE 1scoop PWO except for cardio

Now some fun stuff
Test E (500mg) wk1-16 Mon Thurs (250mgx2)
Dbol (Methandienone) wk1-8 ED w/TUDCA
*Aromasin (Exemestane) wk1-16 ED?
*TUDCA ED w/dbol
*Proviron (Mesterolone) ED throughout

*HCG Last 6 weeks?

Post Cycle ? Or jcaesar protocol from Reddit?
Nolva (Tamoxifen) 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate) 50/50/25/25

I have been checking out all the sources here and I am leaning towards PSL or Victory. I would love to hear some more reviews about liquid orals though as I still have some research to do. I would like to keep my liver in working condition so maybe that's why liquid orals are better?



Jcaesar369 Recommended PCT Protocol
Please Read The Original Post: Here


Last 6 Weeks of Your Cycle / Blast & Cruise:
(including the time needed to allow all compounds to clear)
We will count down the last 6 weeks (plus 3 days - 45 days total). You will start the SERM's after day 0.
T-minus 45 to 24 Days: 500 to 1000 iu HCG 3x weekly (injected IM) for 3 weeks
T-minus 23 to 2 Days: 500 to 1000 iu HCG 2x weekly (injected IM) for 3 weeks
OR
250 to 500 iu HCG 3x weekly (injected IM) for 3 weeks
T-minus 2 to 0 Days: Wait 3 days before starting SERM's
Starting The SERM's
The SERM's should be run for a much longer time period, depending on the time of your Cycle or Blast and Cruise (i.e. total time on steroids). Use your head and think about this one. If a standard 12-16 week cycle uses 4 weeks of SERM's, how long should a 3 year BnC PCT be? There is no right answer, but you will probably want to err on the side of caution, and run at least 8-12 weeks of the SERM's.
20 mg Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) everyday
AND
25 mg Clomid (Clomiphene) everyday

[TurboRunner]

First cycle is usually recommended to be test only. You have no idea how your body will respond to any of the three drugs you listed. Test and an AI if you need it imo.

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[KingCrane]

I recomend a test only cycle as well, as stated above you have no idea how your body is going to react to these drugs, best to run test and see your bodys reaction, then add a compound for cycle #2...keep it simple for your 1st run brother....test e or c for 12-14 weeks with AI and pct on hand..

[joko123]

You should learn to get your diet in check first before you start AAS and/or diet down first. You’re gonna go on cycle put on some water and a little muscle then come off and lose everything if your diet is not in check. Sorry for the tough love brother


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[Primemuscle]

You should learn to get your diet in check first before you start AAS and/or diet down first. You’re gonna go on cycle put on some water and a little muscle then come off and lose everything if your diet is not in check. Sorry for the tough love brother


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That’s 100% correct. Diet dictates everything


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[bigpapapumpaf]

Man I don't want to seem like a jerk but those plans are crazy.

First, listen to those above and get your diet dialed in. You seem to think calories are the key, they are important but the macro's are what get you to the show. If you are a dirty 180 and just add colories, you'll end up an even dirtier what ever.

All the AI plans are terrible in my opinion. You do not need all of those. Unless you are prone to gyno, aromasin E4D is more than enough. Skip the clomid, proviron, tudca and if you find that you need hcg, that too at 250IU E4D is plenty but usually not needed. Clomid and hcg should be on hand for pct if and only if you need it.

I'd stick to test only, the dbol is not needed for what I think you want to do. I see you as a fluffy guy trying to get into shape....is that about the sum of it? If so the dbol will cause water retention and gains will go away as soon as you stop. If you have dbol on hand, it can be used to get your natural test back in order but thats another post.

Keep it simple. A simple 250 mg of test per week could do wonders for you. Run that for 12 to 14 weeks and see how you do. Most newbies hate to pin anyway so make it easy on yourself. At your age you might find that you never come off anyway.

Good luck and sorry if I came across too strong. I don't want to see anyone get screwed up.

BPP