Thread: Looking for suggestions and tips on next cycle

So I’m starting my next cycle and I plan on running test prop and npp and finishing it off with winny and mast
Weeks 1-12 test prop 100 mg eod
Weeks 1-12 Npp 100 mg eod (I’d definitely prefer Tren Ace but I’d had awful side affects on that before, really bad anxiety, tren cough really bad, sleepless nights). I do know npp could be a mass builder but I think if the diet is right and cardio and lifting routine is right it will work as a cutter.
Weeks 6-12 50 mgs winny tabs ed
Weeks 6-12 mast enth 100 mgs 2 x a week
I am currently at 6’1” around 245-250 lbs around 22-25% bf I think. I’m absolutely looking to cut down and I’m currently running the ketosis diet. I know a lot of people don’t like it or just aren’t crazy about it but I’ve been on it since 3/1 and I started at 272lbs and I won’t lie a haven’t found too much time until the last week to get in the gym just due to life but now it’s time to get back in there 5 times a week with a good lifting regiment and a good cardio regiment also. Also my calorie intake is at 1920 a day so it’s on the lower side.
I am open to suggestions on anything anybody has to say. Oh and obviously I will be taking a pct after week 12. Once again I’ll take suggestion on that. Not a huge fan on chlomid.


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in my experience npp can def be used for cutting. the joint relief will be a big help when you run the winny at the end. don't see an AI? also mast e is a long ester so to run that alongside two short esters might not be the best idea, also that dose is kinda low and you'll prob hear you need to be at a much lower bf for the mast to really shine. my suggestions would be to get your bf down as much as possible before starting a cycle. I've always been a big believer in getting as close to your natural best as possible before starting gear, not using it on your way to that goal. again just my personal belief. seeing your honesty about not hitting the gym recently kinda tells me you have some work to do before starting this cycle. maybe outline your planned body part split alongside a cardio routine and give us an idea as to your daily macros/cals and we'll get ya going!

Originally Posted by spartan3924

in my experience npp can def be used for cutting. the joint relief will be a big help when you run the winny at the end. don't see an AI? also mast e is a long ester so to run that alongside two short esters might not be the best idea, also that dose is kinda low and you'll prob hear you need to be at a much lower bf for the mast to really shine. my suggestions would be to get your bf down as much as possible before starting a cycle. I've always been a big believer in getting as close to your natural best as possible before starting gear, not using it on your way to that goal. again just my personal belief. seeing your honesty about not hitting the gym recently kinda tells me you have some work to do before starting this cycle. maybe outline your planned body part split alongside a cardio routine and give us an idea as to your daily macros/cals and we'll get ya going!

100% my fault, I should had explained this and I didn’t mean to put that I was only running the mast for that long. I am experienced I knowing that mast usually doesn’t kick in for at least 6 weeks. Also I will not be starting this cycle until at least the end of April. I’m hoping to be at at least 16-18% bf by then, yes I know still at a higher level but much closer to where I would want to be and would give me a solid 6-8 weeks of good work outs in with a good diet. My workout usually is this
Monday’s are
Chest 12-15 sets altogether shoot for 12 reps but I always go to fail on all body parts
Traps 10 sets lighter weight just go for really high reps to kill those
Cardio is 99% of the time an elliptical due to rough joints having surgery on my knees when I was younger and definitely feeling it now. So usually anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour (depending on how long my workout took)
Tuesday’s
Back 6 sets for lats 6 sets for mid back 3-6 lower back
Abs do whatever
Same cardio
Wednesday’s
Shoulders 3 sets of a press of 2 different excercises (6 altogether) 3 front raises, 3 side raises and 3 upright rows
Traps again
Same cardio (usually just 30 on this day)
Thursday’s
Very light cardio just for warm up
Legs 3 sets of leg press, 3 leg extensions, 3 leg curls, 3 step ups
Friday’s arms
10 sets bis
10 sets tris
Abs
Usually very light cardio due to soreness in legs
Saturday
All cardio (at least an hour nothing less)
Sunday
Rest
My macros are
1940 calories
176 fats
146 protein
29 carbs
Sorry for the length of the message but just wanna definitely do this one right and again would love all suggestions.


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Continue KETO, cardio, Test, Clen. Don't waste your time with Winny and Mast, they are not fat burners. Your bf is too high to see any results from those compounds so save your money and your health.

crazed had a good point. also for your height/weight those cals are really low, even for a cut. if your set on that type of cycle, maybe think of a compromise. instead of short esters, try test e/deca, something like test 500mg/deca 400mg a week for a good 14-16 weeks. focus on continuing to get your bf down, deca can be used for a cut and throw in some winny the last few weeks up to pct that way the joint relief is still helping. and i read through it kinda fast but still no mention of an AI or caber?

Ok I will definitely consider that. But with my macros I did do the whole kinodody program and the one thing that I am not following is the workout plan but when I put in my current height my weight my bf age ect and my target weight those are the macros they came up with for me.
As for the supplements to be honest maybe just go clean for now then until I do reach my goal of 190 lbs anywhere from 6-10% bf then start up the prop npp and run that whole thing with the mast and either do Andro at that point or the winny.
As for the AI I am not planning on taking any but once again I’m always open to suggestions. I will just tell you I hate stimulants and anything like that so I’m not sure if any of those have a lot of stims in them. But when I was talking to my supplier he did suggest T3. I’ll sit back and listen. Thank you



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i wouldn't suggest t3 unless you're gonna do a show or are that serious about having as little bf as possible otherwise i wouldn't mess with your thyroid. its a good idea to have an AI on hand to help with estrogen, id even say take a low dose throughout your cycle but everyone is different. diet is definitely the most important part of looking your best so if those macros and kept is working for you then keep at it! problem is eventually you're gonna hit a plateau where you'll have to either increase calories burned during workouts, decrease cals through diet, or add some compounds that will help build muscle. if kept gets you to that point, maybe think of adding in some carbs like oatmeal pre workout and a carb intra workout like highly branched cyclic dextrin. doesn't have to be much but you'll be amazed at how much that 75g or so of carbs can lead to a higher training level, and in turn more fat loss/muscle gain. but i think with hard work and keto, you can get that bf to around where you want.

Well I definitely can’t mess with my thyroid again because of that acromegaly and I’m going every 6 months to get blood work done and I already throw my testosterone out of whack (doctor definitely isn’t crazy about that lol) but things like thyroid and my igf1 I will not touch or mess with, and yes I will absolutely be changing my diet every 6-8 weeks as I am going along, I truly am a big fan of this diet and as I continue to lose the weight I will be putting in my new numbers as in my weight, bf% and that will change my macros as I go along. I am also aware that this diet isn’t ideal to stay on for a long amount of time. I’m noticing as I’m putting in what I’m eating every day that yes I’m hitting my macro but my cholesterol number is very very high due to eating meats that are high in fat so I will most likely stay on this for I’m not sure how long yet, I think my body will tell me when it’s time to get off then just go back to my old reliable. The high protein (lean) lower carbs (sweet potatoes, zucchini, lots of greens) basically my carbs will come from fiber lower my fat intake for sure and keep my calorie intake lower also. Right now it’s at 1900ish but it will be going’s down in increments.


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I'm really digging test base in oil. maybe try tren base.

only need a tiny bit daily, and will clear system in 1-2 days.

its pure weight to mg, no esters muddying up the waters

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

I'm really digging test base in oil. maybe try tren base.

only need a tiny bit daily, and will clear system in 1-2 days.

its pure weight to mg, no esters muddying up the waters

I can’t do tren, I’ve tried it plenty of times before. Don’t get me wrong I’ve loved the results I’ve gotten off of it but the side effects are way way to harsh for me. The cough and the insomnia I could somewhat handle but the anxiety is way to over the top for me and it affects my daily living. I’ve done npp before and did like the results, not as much as tren but my mind/body can’t handle the affects tren puts on it


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