Thread: First cycle - Test+(Tbol)

bump! Let's hear more inputs!

Looks good bro and can tell you've done some research.

Consider .25mg EOD and get bloods at week 6 to check it. I only use .5mg 2x pw on 500mg of test.

Whatever pins you prefer, I draw with 21s and jab with 25g 5/8" but I am ~11% bf.

TUDCA I do 750mg ED when using low dose orals.

My opinion, you don't need clomid and nolva for PCT just do one or the other. Ive had success doing 12 week cycles and just running clomid at 25/25/25/25/25/25. There are studies showing higher dose clomid does not make any real difference in recovery.

If you run into gyno issues, I would just start with 60mg ralox ED until it disappears, otherwise nolva at 20mg ED. Don't start using Adex at 1mg ED, you will just crash your e2. Just increase the dose enough to get it under control. ie .5mg ED for 5 days.

Haven't seen any studies supporting the whole won't get back to same natty test levels after cycle theory. I don't think recovery will be much difference between 8-10 weeks and 12 especially when you're using HCG during your cycle.

best of luck

Im gonna say something that may be met with criticism, but anyone that has been around a long time will know what i mean. Pct is not a necessity. It is a luxury of the advancements of medicine. Before there was whats now considered pct, there was basically nothing. You came off and thats it. Wait til levels came back to where you could get back on. It wasnt until more recently that people came up with ancillaries, time on plus pct equals time off, and all this other stuff. It didnt exist for decades of steroid use. Guys fared just fine. Pct makes it easier, thats all. I never used any sprt pf pct ever. And of the probably hundred or two hundred guys ive known to juice, few ever have. Your body is very resilient and is going to come back to whatever level it decides to come back to. Up til my late 30's, my test always bounced back into the 700's or better and lh and fsh always came back into normal.

Im not against pct by any means, anything that helps is great. All im saying is alot of the newer guys are under the impression that if they dont do pct or dont do it right that they fuck up their hpta or metabolism or sex drive and thats not the case. If its fucked up its because of what you did prior to your pct. Pct may help to level it back out again quicker, but its not curing any problem caused by roid use. That is up to your body to do, and maybe you get lucky and a good pct helps that along.

I think your cycle is extremely well thought out, however I just think 23 years is too young unless you we a professional athlete. Bar league softball doesn't count, I mean unless your being paid 6 figures or more for your athletic performance I think at your age your best bet is to wait.

Thats is just my opinion, others have started younger and never had problems. Some have ruined their life. That's your decision to consider. Best of luck regardless! Stay safe?

Originally Posted by cuebaal

Looks good bro and can tell you've done some research.

Consider .25mg EOD and get bloods at week 6 to check it. I only use .5mg 2x pw on 500mg of test.

Whatever pins you prefer, I draw with 21s and jab with 25g 5/8" but I am ~11% bf.

TUDCA I do 750mg ED when using low dose orals.

My opinion, you don't need clomid and nolva for PCT just do one or the other. Ive had success doing 12 week cycles and just running clomid at 25/25/25/25/25/25. There are studies showing higher dose clomid does not make any real difference in recovery.

If you run into gyno issues, I would just start with 60mg ralox ED until it disappears, otherwise nolva at 20mg ED. Don't start using Adex at 1mg ED, you will just crash your e2. Just increase the dose enough to get it under control. ie .5mg ED for 5 days.

Haven't seen any studies supporting the whole won't get back to same natty test levels after cycle theory. I don't think recovery will be much difference between 8-10 weeks and 12 especially when you're using HCG during your cycle.

best of luck

This has answered everything I needed to know! Thank you so much. I am excited for this cycle! I am most likely going to change the HCG injection from 1-14 weeks to week 11-14 as 500 x2 pw for 4 weeks should bring back testicles plumpness and make for recovery easier.

Originally Posted by Dannyboy515

Im gonna say something that may be met with criticism, but anyone that has been around a long time will know what i mean. Pct is not a necessity. It is a luxury of the advancements of medicine. Before there was whats now considered pct, there was basically nothing. You came off and thats it. Wait til levels came back to where you could get back on. It wasnt until more recently that people came up with ancillaries, time on plus pct equals time off, and all this other stuff. It didnt exist for decades of steroid use. Guys fared just fine. Pct makes it easier, thats all. I never used any sprt pf pct ever. And of the probably hundred or two hundred guys ive known to juice, few ever have. Your body is very resilient and is going to come back to whatever level it decides to come back to. Up til my late 30's, my test always bounced back into the 700's or better and lh and fsh always came back into normal.

Im not against pct by any means, anything that helps is great. All im saying is alot of the newer guys are under the impression that if they dont do pct or dont do it right that they fuck up their hpta or metabolism or sex drive and thats not the case. If its fucked up its because of what you did prior to your pct. Pct may help to level it back out again quicker, but its not curing any problem caused by roid use. That is up to your body to do, and maybe you get lucky and a good pct helps that along.

This is good input to help newbies as well. The biggest scare I have is recovery. Before I knew much about juice, I was afraid of gyno, but taking Arimidex I feel like I should be okay moving forward. With the use of PCT with a lighter cycle. The use of HCG weeks 11-14 will get my balls plump for PCT and a quicker recovery! I hope!