Thread: First cycle - Test+(Tbol)

Originally Posted by Micki420

I ordered a ton of shit from Toraxx, roughly spent 1000$ on a BUNCH of goodies....I got carried away on things I want to try like a fucking fat kid in a candy store! Dr. Clark just emailed me and shipment is going out tomorrow! Awesome! Now to the cycle and stats!

5'7
23 years old
13-14% bf
164lb

5x5 lifts:
deadlift- 335x5
squat - 365x5
bench - 245x5


ON TO THE CYCLE!

While I know you can get the same amount of gains from Test-E at 500mg I want to add, "TBOL" @ 50mg for 3 weeks and 75mg for last 3 weeks if I feel comfortable in doing so. My idea behind this is, I would like to reap the gains on the 4-6 weeks while the test-E stabilizes in my body. Also, Tbol does not convert to estrogen and it is on the more mild side of orals. Thus, giving me the ability to see how my AI dosing will go as I won't be mixing a aromatizing oral like, say, D-bol. So here is the cycle.


Test-E - 500mg - 1-12 weeks
HCG - 500iu - 1-14 weeks(Get off 3 days prior to PCT)
TBol - 50mg(3 weeks) raise to 75mg last 3 If I feel like I can tolerate it.
Arimidex .5 EOD(I was thinking about .25 EOD, but rather not even risk the possibility of estrogen building up and I will check E2 levels at week 6)

drawing with 21x1 pinning with 23x1.5. Mixing 500iu with the 500mg of test every Monday and Thursday.
Storing the test + Tbol in the medicine cabinet and the HCG in the bottle in the fridge.

Tudcuh - liver support

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Mk2866 30mg - 4 weeks

Just got bloods tests today.
Total & Free test
Lipids
liver
thyroids

For any estrogen testing I needed a doctor's pre authorization.

Questions:

Gyno protocol: Can I either integrate nolva at 20mg and continue the arimidex at .5EOD until gyno goes away or up arimidex to 1mg EOD until it goes away.

Is it true even if you recover properly that my(say its 700 test) will never be where it was PRE-CYCLE? Is there any evidence on this? IF so, I can not find it.

I've heard a 8-10 week cycle is very beneficial, because recovery time is a lot quicker. Although, Your body isn't stabilizing its new gains. I prefer 12, Is there evidence that 8-10 weeks may be better?

Looks like you’ve done your research brother. Your cycle looks awesome. Only thing I would recommend is running the MK for longer. MK is really going to stimulate appetite so you can get those calories in. It makes me happy to see that people do research before they cycle. You are a little young but You have done a fair amount of research it looks like. All I can tell you is to have fun. Keep us posted on your results warmest regards,

The Bull


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Originally Posted by torroxl22

Looks like you’ve done your research brother. Your cycle looks awesome. Only thing I would recommend is running the MK for longer. MK is really going to stimulate appetite so you can get those calories in. It makes me happy to see that people do research before they cycle. You are a little young but You have done a fair amount of research it looks like. All I can tell you is to have fun. Keep us posted on your results warmest regards,

The Bull


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Thank you for realizing that I’ve actually put in the time! Only thing I have seen as far as mk2866 it is minimally suppressive after 4 weeks and I do not wanf any sort of suppression while I’m trying to recover. I did buy LGD+S4 to bridge from this first cycle to my second after pct and I recover okay. I did a lot of research and I thought i was going to get bashed for wanting to add an oral!!

Originally Posted by Micki420

Thank you for realizing that I’ve actually put in the time! Only thing I have seen as far as mk2866 it is minimally suppressive after 4 weeks and I do not wanf any sort of suppression while I’m trying to recover. I did buy LGD+S4 to bridge from this first cycle to my second after pct and I recover okay. I did a lot of research and I thought i was going to get bashed for wanting to add an oral!!

That and mk2866 @ 25/25/10/10 won’t cause any suppression and will help keep you nice and full!


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Originally Posted by enhancedathlete3

I would run the HCG weeks 11-14. 500iu twice per week. Maybe also the mk2866 @ 25/25/10/10. Looks like a solid cycle overall though


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I heard you can take up to 25mg(my mk2866 is 30mg/ml) is fine for up to 4 weeks without suppression, but I can lower dosages. That’s fine.

i hear HCG from week one will just keep my balls plump. I just got the 15000IU in the mail so using it isn’t not a money issue either. I did hear 11-14 is good and it will kickstart recovery, I just rather them not get small at all.

Ok just a few minor things in my opinion. Of you dont want the boys to shrink up, start your hcg wk 2 500iu split. I use it sometimes when they start to shrink up then go off a while, just preference.

2 things about your adex- since you are running test e, dont start your adex until at least end of wk 2 when your test starts to get going. Otherwise adex can tank your estrogen before the test even gets circulating. Also you are runnin low dose, and nothing else that converts, so i would suggest sticking to .25 eod with adex. Its potent stuff and can knock that estrogen to 0 rather quickly.

As to ypur question, there are benefits to running some cycles at 8 or 10 wks but not long estered cycles. You test e wont really get rev'd up until wk 4,5,6 so you dont want to only have a few wks of beimg able to take advantage of it. If it was tren a, npp, test prop, then you have an option of running it shorter.

I think you will find that the tbol is fairly easy to handle and provided its quality, can help in the lean gains department.

Great research, good luck

Toraxx order came in. Not impressed. He sent me the wrong anavar dosage, forgot the Clen and forgot the winny for my second or third cycle. Kinda sucks, but I have he rectifies this mistake as soon as possible.

Originally Posted by Dannyboy515

Ok just a few minor things in my opinion. Of you dont want the boys to shrink up, start your hcg wk 2 500iu split. I use it sometimes when they start to shrink up then go off a while, just preference.

2 things about your adex- since you are running test e, dont start your adex until at least end of wk 2 when your test starts to get going. Otherwise adex can tank your estrogen before the test even gets circulating. Also you are runnin low dose, and nothing else that converts, so i would suggest sticking to .25 eod with adex. Its potent stuff and can knock that estrogen to 0 rather quickly.

As to ypur question, there are benefits to running some cycles at 8 or 10 wks but not long estered cycles. You test e wont really get rev'd up until wk 4,5,6 so you dont want to only have a few wks of beimg able to take advantage of it. If it was tren a, npp, test prop, then you have an option of running it shorter.

I think you will find that the tbol is fairly easy to handle and provided its quality, can help in the lean gains department.

Great research, good luck

andwered all my questions perfectly and I will be starting my cycle this upcoming Monday granted that my bloods come back perfectly fine! This completed the last piece of my puzzle and I’m ready to go!

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