Ok cool ya I'm getting a lot of different mixed opinions on how long to run the deca but most people have said to take it to 12 weeks . I think that's gonna be the new plan . Run the deca for the 12 and toss the winny in around week 8 week 9. I wanna run them together to kinda balance each other out with the joints . I know winnys gonna dry me right up but the deca will keep everything nice n lubed up .and as to the pinning schedule I originally dropped the prop the first 2 weeks of deca and sus but saw decrease in stamina and strength in gym right away so tossed n the 50mg prop eod just to get that extra little push .