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Max Growth Cycle
Background:
I ran my first cycle about a year ago with just Test E @500mg and I hated it. Hair lose plagued me and I had high estrogen until I found the right dose of arimidex which was .5mg EOD. Now, I would like to run another cycle and would like some input, not really on the AAS but on diet and slin. Yes, it's dangerous but relatively safe and easy to manage, especially, if you are not a jack ass and at least loosely monitor your diet which I meticulously do.
Current Stats:
Age: 27
Height: 5'7
Weight: 182lb
BF%: 10
Comp Squat: 445
Comp Bench: 270lb
Comp Deadlift: 505lb
Strict Press: 170lb
Maintenance Diet for 182lb (Last 2 months averages):
Calories: 3662/3662
Carbs: 480g/488g
Protein: 212g/208g
Fat: 92g/89g
I'm trying to keep my fats as low as possible while having health related foods in it (eggs/sardine/avocado/dark chocolate/lean red meat) which comes to around 80g most days. Protein is set at around .8g/lb from meat/dairy and I get a decent amount more through the carbs I eat. All remaining calories are carbs. I'd love to have more protein but carbs are just so cheap. I'm on such a tight budget, that I had to learn how to brew my own gear which I must say was an invaluable skill to acquire.
Cycle:
Week 1-4: 125mg Test E/600mg Deca/40 Tbol/6-20IU R Insulin
Week 5-8: 125mg Test E/800mg Deca/40 Tbol/6-20IU R Insulin
*25mg MK-677 with Somatostatin inhibitor
Please no comments about Deca dick. If you control estrogen you won't get deca dick. Deca is pretty much the safest compound on the hair and Tbol is thrown in at a low dose for some hardening as I'm assuming I will retain some water with this cycle and my appearance matters in the field I work in. I'll start with 6IU slin and up it 2IU at a time until 16-20IU. Of course meal timing and carb quantity all matter and I'll be getting in at last 150g carb when I pin and another 150g within 3-3.5hours. Most protocols for insulin call for 4 weeks on 4 off, however, it all depends on insulin sensitivity which is why I'll get bloodwork for week 5, but 6-8 weeks is pretty common as well with similar time off.
Questions:
- Any guidelines on increasing calories going from a maintenance off cycle (3650cal @182lb) to on cycle seeking maximum mass (using the above compounds) if training volume is kept relatively the same? I was thinking of increasing 750~1000cal surplus for weeks 1-4 weeks and likely another 500cal increase for weeks 5-8 (all from mostly carbs putting me at 700g+ carbs). What is everyone's opinion/experience on this?
- Since R insulin lasts 6-8 hours it is often recommended to pin twice a day, however, that expedites the onset of insulin resistance, so would it not be better to up the dose of the single shot 16-20IU instead of 2 separate shots of 8-10IU? What exactly is the difference of pinning once daily vs twice daily?
Last edited by Cratos; 08-15-2018 at 05:51 PM.
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You could run 500mg test e again but control your e2 and you'd see exact same results from the cycle you listed. Deca is to never be ran less than 12 weeks, literally takes 8 weeks to get into your system. Stay away from slin that is stupid dangerous.... This is a very bad cycle man, no offense. Just trying to look out for you.
I hope others chime in to help. If you want deca run test at the mg you said but keep it 300mg deca for 12 weeks.
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Originally Posted by
Punished
You could run 500mg test e again but control your e2 and you'd see exact same results from the cycle you listed. Deca is to never be ran less than 12 weeks, literally takes 8 weeks to get into your system. Stay away from slin that is stupid dangerous.... This is a very bad cycle man, no offense. Just trying to look out for you.
I hope others chime in to help. If you want deca run test at the mg you said but keep it 300mg deca for 12 weeks.
Any drug gets into your system in literally 48 hours. All drugs are best used 6-8 weeks and then switched out, no matter if oral or injectable. The whole it takes blank weeks to kick in is forum nonsense. You should read up on that because it will change the way you look at cycling or blasting/cruising.
As for insulin, people fear what they don't understand. Because people are morons and have died from it doesn't mean it's not safe when used properly like with any other drug.
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Well, I'm with Punished on this one. He's right on with everything he said. I sincerely hope you don't give advice cause just about you state is wrong. I'll start with the long acting 19-Nor, Deca Durabolin. Useless if ran in time frame you speak of. Long acting Test E is the same. I can go deeper into this but I want to get to your insulin. I'm a type 2 diabetic and if you run, I assume you are speaking of humalog or humalin, at 16-20iu per, you don't have enough carbs to cover. That means you can bottom out and go into shock and possibly die. It's a very scary and real possibilty.
You really should consider going back to the drawing board before you put yourself in danger. And you came on here asking for help. Take the constructive criticism or don't ask. But please, ask all the questions you like but with your lack of knowledge, especially with slin, please don't give any of your "advice." Could end up really hurting someone.
Good luck to you.
** If you want to be 250lbs... Eat like you're 250lbs. **
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LowT
Well, I'm with Punished on this one. He's right on with everything he said. I sincerely hope you don't give advice cause just about you state is wrong. I'll start with the long acting 19-Nor, Deca Durabolin. Useless if ran in time frame you speak of. Long acting Test E is the same. I can go deeper into this but I want to get to your insulin. I'm a type 2 diabetic and if you run, I assume you are speaking of humalog or humalin, at 16-20iu per, you don't have enough carbs to cover. That means you can bottom out and go into shock and possibly die. It's a very scary and real possibilty.
You really should consider going back to the drawing board before you put yourself in danger. And you came on here asking for help. Take the constructive criticism or don't ask. But please, ask all the questions you like but with your lack of knowledge, especially with slin, please don't give any of your "advice." Could end up really hurting someone.
Good luck to you.
I did come here for advice. Yes, are correct in that it would be humulin-r. May ask how my carbs would be insufficient at the 700g+ range? This would be educational.
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Originally Posted by
LowT
Well, I'm with Punished on this one. He's right on with everything he said. I sincerely hope you don't give advice cause just about you state is wrong. I'll start with the long acting 19-Nor, Deca Durabolin. Useless if ran in time frame you speak of. Long acting Test E is the same. I can go deeper into this but I want to get to your insulin. I'm a type 2 diabetic and if you run, I assume you are speaking of humalog or humalin, at 16-20iu per, you don't have enough carbs to cover. That means you can bottom out and go into shock and possibly die. It's a very scary and real possibilty.
You really should consider going back to the drawing board before you put yourself in danger. And you came on here asking for help. Take the constructive criticism or don't ask. But please, ask all the questions you like but with your lack of knowledge, especially with slin, please don't give any of your "advice." Could end up really hurting someone.
Good luck to you.
I did come here for advice. Yes, are correct in that it would be humulin-r. May ask how my carbs would be insufficient at the 700g+ range? This would be educational.
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Originally Posted by
Cratos
I did come here for advice. Yes, are correct in that it would be humulin-r. May ask how my carbs would be insufficient at the 700g+ range? This would be educational.
Running slin without gh is a waste and dangerous. From the sound of it i would suggest doing some more research before jumping into the deep end. Its apparent you dont have a good grasp on nutrition requirements, how specific compounds work, or why you would even add insulin to a non-gh cycle. I may sound like a jag but not trying to come off that way.
To think that a shot of deca will be fully active in your system in 48 hours is uneducated. It will begin to release sure. But do you know what the deca stands for? Look up the ester and read about it. Then you will realize why running a deca cycle at 8 wks is a waste of 8 wks. And as far as slin, im not gonna lecture you on the dangers, but just as important is that its basically an absolute waste in your cycle. I would suggest giving some thought to replanning the whole cycle
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Originally Posted by
Cratos
I did come here for advice. Yes, are correct in that it would be humulin-r. May ask how my carbs would be insufficient at the 700g+ range? This would be educational.
Well, you're not going to consume 700gms of carbs at once. Or I don't hinkle so, anyway. I'm sorry but I don't feel comfortable helping you on slin. Especially when you don't even have a grasp on AAS. Not being a dick, but slin is very dangerous. And I know from firsthand experience. And, you're off on the timing of the slin too. I will tell you that you have to have it covered from 10-15 minutes up to about 4 hrs to be completely safe side. I've dropped a few times down to 22 blood glucose (lowest) just cause of simple mistakes and I'm experienced. Do your research on diet, training , long and short ester steroids. If you need some help after, I'd be glad to help with that.
For starters: keep short esters with short esters and long with long esters. They work better that way and makes life a lot easier with pinning protocol and especially going into PCT.
Good luck and have fun.
** If you want to be 250lbs... Eat like you're 250lbs. **
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if youre going to run slin i would use a rapid acting like humalog or novolog 2-3iu with carb meals 4x per day , HGH is a must. MK677 is trash
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Thanks for all input guys. Originally, I started looking into insulin because I've been maintaining on nearly 500g carb and since I wanted to bulk I knew that number was going to substantially increase, so thought I might as well add insulin for the added benefit of increased glycogen, protein synthesis, igf1 production, and lowered shbp. Leaving slin out of the mix i'll look to adjusting cycle length.
As for caloric intake what estimates are a good starting point for putting on mass going from maintenance to bulk? I was thinking of going from 3650 to 4400 (750 increase from mostly carbs). Don't want to become a fat ass or waste a cycle for aiming to just lean gain.
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