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Caber with tren
Ive taken caber with deca before once. Normally I dont have issues with deca. But Ive never used tren before and was wondering if its recommended to take caber from the start or to have it on hand and see if I have any sides with the tren. Im not currently taking tren, but am planning for a future cutting cycle. Thought Id give it a try.
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I personally would wait until you get some nip soreness or any signs of gyno. If you have prolactin issues, you will need it
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I personally would wait until you get some nip soreness or any signs of gyno. If you have prolactin issues, you will need it
Exactly dont wait til its to late.
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I don't run a DA on a regiment.
I keep it on hand.
Usually elevated prolactin comes with sides other than gyno related issues. For me it comes as anorgasmia followed by ED. After prologned elevated estrogen prolactin levels increase (even without nors) and usually it shows as sexual sides and if left untreated can cause lactation as well. Though nors can elevate prolactin without increase serum estrogen.
Sensitive nipples in no way means you need to start dosing caber. It may mean you need to adjust your AI to bring you estrogen in check or it may mean you need to possibly seek running a low dose SERM on cycle, such as nolva.
Dopamine agonists like cabergoline and pramipexole are not for the treatment of gyno.
I see too many guys trying to blur lines between:
Dopamine Agonists, Aromatase Inhibitors, and Selective estrogen receptor modulators.
One is to control estrogen via depletio of aromatase enzyme, One is to treat gyno via receptor drug saturation, One is to lower prolactin via dopamine promotion....
Tickly nipples can mean lots of things, bloodwork gives definitive answers on what is needed.
Name the side I have had it and cured it.
If running 19nors always have a DA on hand.
There are written on cycle regiments but cabergoline is one of the many things you will have to learn to dose to your needs. Once again this is why bloodwork is so imperative.
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Can’t you pop adex .5 EOD to prevent gyno? That’s what I do but was wondering if it’s different with tren.
I’ve got nipple soreness on cycle before and felt a pea like bump. I just pop nolvadex for 2 weeks and its gone.
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Can’t you pop adex .5 EOD to prevent gyno? That’s what I do but was wondering if it’s different with tren.
I’ve got nipple soreness on cycle before and felt a pea like bump. I just pop nolvadex for 2 weeks and its gone.
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Some can.
Some cannot.
Keeping your estrogen in check (bloodtest range) with an AI is the first line of defense. If gyno appears anyway, the best, safest, and most effective method is to add nolvadex @ 10mg per day.
This is not necessary unless you get a knot.
An itchy nipple means a whole lot of nothing. Hell my nipples have itched for two years.
My point was elevated prolactin may never show its head as gyno. It might be full blown ED instead.
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The idea of adex and other AI's is to regulate estrogen in accordance to blood tests.
Simply shotgunning a dose may or may not work for you.
I dont shove specific dose recommendations at people very often. Most have to discover their dosage through trial and error.
The basis AI dosage of adex I recommend is .25 mg eod.
It is individual specific though and only bloods and trial and error will tell my friend
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Thank you for the recommendations.
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Negative on the wait until theory. Once prolactin digs in its almost too late . Regular AI's WILL NOT, repeat WILL NOT stop prolactin. Prolactin may or may not lead to gyno but unlike estrogen, it is really hard to lower you prolactin levels to the point of harming yourself. If you're too low, you might not be able to have an orgasm but it will not hinder gains. If you have no issues and keep your estrogen in check you can probably get by with .50 mg E3 or E4D.
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Originally Posted by
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Some can.
Some cannot.
Keeping your estrogen in check (bloodtest range) with an AI is the first line of defense. If gyno appears anyway, the best, safest, and most effective method is to add nolvadex @ 10mg per day.
This is not necessary unless you get a knot.
An itchy nipple means a whole lot of nothing. Hell my nipples have itched for two years.
My point was elevated prolactin may never show its head as gyno. It might be full blown ED instead.
So if you got a pea size lump and some soreness, how long do you take nolvadex for?
Also for caber how do you take it? How long and how many dose? Do you take it only when you experience prolactin?
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