I have run them together in the past and I was very happy with the combo. Had great results good solid lean gain and vascular as shit. But I was still gaining very good size it was just a dryer look. The only issue for me which keeps me putting it off is that the major side effect for me was shedding. So I am trying to wait until my very thin patch on my head comes back in. It is filling back in but it is taking forever ever with biotin and hgh. lol but that is just me so you may not have that issue. Plus I ran both very high and for a prolonged period of time because I enjoyed it so much.