Thread: Fighting gyno lump with nolva on 19-nor

Hey there I’m new to the forum and looking for advice from the vets here. I’m currently fighting a kidney bean size lump with 40mg nolva ed. I have Letro and raloxifene on hand also. I’m 8 weeks in my cycle and been doing the above nolva protocol for a week now.

First 4 weeks I ran T cyp 150 EOD, mast 100mg EOD, proviron 50mg ED, aromasin 50mg EOD,

Week 5 - current, added tren A @ 50mg EOD, caber .5mg E3D
My blood work at week 4 E2 @ 26.4 pg/ml, all other values were spot on.
No indication of gyno progression what so ever until I bumped my chest, felt pain, discovered mass. I started nolva right away @ 40mg ED for a week now. Meanwhile I’m researching the heck out of nolva while on 19-nor and proposed issues. I’ve learned enough that basically like anything else in this game, everyone is different and what works for some my not for others and it’s all a learning process as you go. With that said I know there is now black and white answer to reducing gyno while on tren, but wanted to pick some minds who been at it for a long time and has spent time dealing with this same issues. There is so many ways to go about this and I know the variables and consequences of letro and E2, raloxifene and nolva debate.... I’m looking to see how many peeps have had good luck shrinking lumps while on cycle and with what, how long, doses, etc. Or if everything above looks ok, then I will be patient and let nolva have time to work or battle it differently after cycle is over. Thanks in advance!

So you are taking caber and a very high dose of Aromasin (12.5 eod is typical) e2 numbers seem good...so do you know your ancillaries are gtg? That dose of Aromasin should’ve crashed your estrogen. I’d do a raloxiphene protocol pronto assuming it’s real. I’ve got a quarter sized gland myself and I may have waited too long...surgery is looking probable....but man I don’t want to.


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It could be progesterone.
Did you take the exam for this?

Change nolva with toremifene.

take some gr of vit b6, vit E, sam-e, gaba, 5-htp

You will need caber to combat the tren.

BPP

Originally Posted by cyberninja

So you are taking caber and a very high dose of Aromasin (12.5 eod is typical) e2 numbers seem good...so do you know your ancillaries are gtg? That dose of Aromasin should’ve crashed your estrogen. I’d do a raloxiphene protocol pronto assuming it’s real. I’ve got a quarter sized gland myself and I may have waited too long...surgery is looking probable....but man I don’t want to.


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Thank for the reply, and I will get blood work done tomorrow to verify E2 level. As for the ancillaries, I believe they are good, as I use three different reputable sources. As for as aromasin in particular, all three seem to consistent with each other on dosing whether it’s liquid extremastane, or pill aromasin. I do seem to covert to estrogen easily.... I will on the other hand keep you updated on the results of blood work. I had a buddy recommend cutting the aromasin dose in half a few weeks ago, so you might be in to something there. I don’t feel like my E2 is tanked at this point, but blood work will confirm.


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check your progesterone and prolactin as well

Originally Posted by bigpapapumpaf

You will need caber to combat the tren.

BPP

I never have. Used Letro, worked fine. And yes, I know caber works on the prolactin, I've just never had an issue

Nolva is not the wisest choice on 19-nor. Nolva can increase prolactin sensitivity.


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Originally Posted by cherrybombfitnes

Nolva is not the wisest choice on 19-nor. Nolva can increase prolactin sensitivity.


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This right here is so confusing. I am going through a similar situation my self and have been reading and reading until my eyes fall out of my head. Some have said the above about how nolva can increase prolactin sensitivity and other well respected members of the anabolic world like William llewellyn has stated they have nothing to do with each other in that regard. Currently taking Nolva at 20mgs while on my blast that I am about 3 weeks into.

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I don't know if this does anything but muddy the water, but thought i would share it.