Thread: 2 months off gear and still have low LH, FSH, E2, and Testosterone

So I finished my cycle and did PCT and I just did bloods yesterday and it’s about 2 months now off gear and it shows this:



Why hasn’t everything gone back to normal? I thought after PCT everything will return to normal. Does it take more time to recover?

Originally Posted by yoshi925

So I finished my cycle and did PCT and I just did bloods yesterday and it’s about 2 months now off gear and it shows this:



Why hasn’t everything gone back to normal? I thought after PCT everything will return to normal. Does it take more time to recover?

Were you 2 months after your last pin or 2 months after your PCT was finished? There are alot of things people need to know if they give any advice like
1. How many cycles have you done?

2. Your age?

3. What's your baseline test levels?

4. Are you estrogen sensitive?

5. What compounds were you on, for how long and what dosages?

6. When did you start PCT? What did you use for PCT?

7.How long was PCT and what dosages?

8.I def would of went for a full panel blood test.

For future and not saying you have to do this and when I used to do PCT before i went on TRT i would run clomid till my next cycle and hcg and it worked out for me cause everybody is different and a 4 week pct isnt enough after blasting 500-800mg or test for who knows how long. You crash pretty hard.

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Props to you for being able to function.

Originally Posted by JustinMoose

Props to you for being able to function.

I feel normal. I can still lift at the gym. Lost very little strength.

I can still have sex

I’m not depressed or anything. Feel like a normal person.

I was surprised at how low it was and I was not feeling anything funny.

Originally Posted by JJ14

Were you 2 months after your last pin or 2 months after your PCT was finished? There are alot of things people need to know if they give any advice like
1. How many cycles have you done?

2. Your age?

3. What's your baseline test levels?

4. Are you estrogen sensitive?

5. What compounds were you on, for how long and what dosages?

6. When did you start PCT? What did you use for PCT?

7.How long was PCT and what dosages?

8.I def would of went for a full panel blood test.

For future and not saying you have to do this and when I used to do PCT before i went on TRT i would run clomid till my next cycle and hcg and it worked out for me cause everybody is different and a 4 week pct isnt enough after blasting 500-800mg or test for who knows how long. You crash pretty hard.

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Age 35

So I’ve ran 4 cycles now (all my cycles are test E and primo, but I increase primo each cycle)

Previous cycle was 16 weeks
Test E 500/week
Primo 800/week
Anavar 100mg/week last 6-8 weeks
Adex .5mg EOD

PCT 21 days after last pin
Week 1 - clomid 100, nolvadex 40
Week 2 - clomid 50, nolvadex 40
Week 3 - clomid 25, nolvadex 20
Week 4 - clomid 12.5, nolvadex 10

Got bloods about 6 weeks after PCT

My baseline test level is 490
My baseline estrogen is 16

Did you run any hcg either on cycle or during pct? HCG will make a lot of difference. Perhaps wait another couple of weeks and test again, if numbers are on the incline then you just need to give it more time as it can take months to get things back in order. Otherwise you may need to consider another pct.

Originally Posted by yoshi925

Age 35

So I’ve ran 4 cycles now (all my cycles are test E and primo, but I increase primo each cycle)

Previous cycle was 16 weeks
Test E 500/week
Primo 800/week
Anavar 100mg/week last 6-8 weeks
Adex .5mg EOD

PCT 21 days after last pin
Week 1 - clomid 100, nolvadex 40
Week 2 - clomid 50, nolvadex 40
Week 3 - clomid 25, nolvadex 20
Week 4 - clomid 12.5, nolvadex 10

Got bloods about 6 weeks after PCT

My baseline test level is 490
My baseline estrogen is 16

Did you get bloodwork during cycle? I ask you because to make sure your test e was dosed correctly and you could of been on just primo and adex. I'm not a doctor so cant give you an answer only my opinion. Are you sure your PCT was legit. Not saying UGL pct isnt good but when it comes to pct, AI I would only use pharma cause pct is extremely important. I would of ran clomid at higher dose and longer and wouldnt of dropped it 25mg every week cause you are on fourth cycle and 35 yrs old and could be starting to take a toll on you. Clomid really dosent help as much as you think and especially with low dose in short period of time. Clomid is used to induce sperm but it still will help with libido and give you some energy cause it stimulates LH just like nolvidex. See some guys just think clomid raises test levels and nolv block estrogen and that's not all it does. I would of blasted hcg 10-15 days before I started nolv cause your going from 500mg for 16 weeks to nothing and didnt lower dose as you came off and I think clomid isnt enough especially the way you had it set up. The nolv will stimulate then it releases LH which will increase your natural test levels im talking from personal experience and what worked for me. You should have a better idea of what happened then I do. Have you used same protocol last 4 cycles? I've been there and you have to be feeling like shit and always exhausted. My opinion is pct wasnt legit or your pct protocol wasnt enough. Your nolv setup was good but I would of did clomid
Wk 1. 150mg
Wk 2. 150mg
Wk 3. 100mg
Wk 4. 100mg
Wk 5. 50mg
Wk 6. 50 mg
Wk 7. 25 mg
Wk 8. 25 mg

We all have to be researching cause AAS isnt something that should be taken lightly and its underestimated most of the time. I mean more than just googling something cause you cant beleive the first thing that pops up you have to do A thorough research. PCT is so important for you to get back to normal and if we aren't informed on which individual substance does what for us we can really have some major health issiues. There are some knowledible guys on this forum but I wouldnt just follow someones protocol without researching what everything is actually doing. Plus everybody is different. I would go to the doctor cause I'm not gunna tell you to just jump on TRT cause that's a lifetime deal and I'm not sure if your comfortable with that.



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Originally Posted by phat_dogg

Did you run any hcg either on cycle or during pct? HCG will make a lot of difference. Perhaps wait another couple of weeks and test again, if numbers are on the incline then you just need to give it more time as it can take months to get things back in order. Otherwise you may need to consider another pct.

Forgot to mention that.

Yes I was on HCG 500iu/week split
I used the HUCOG 5000iu the premixed one in liquid form.

Originally Posted by JJ14

Did you get bloodwork during cycle? I ask you because to make sure your test e was dosed correctly and you could of been on just primo and adex. I'm not a doctor so cant give you an answer only my opinion. Are you sure your PCT was legit. Not saying UGL pct isnt good but when it comes to pct, AI I would only use pharma cause pct is extremely important. I would of ran clomid at higher dose and longer and wouldnt of dropped it 25mg every week cause you are on fourth cycle and 35 yrs old and could be starting to take a toll on you. Clomid really dosent help as much as you think and especially with low dose in short period of time. Clomid is used to induce sperm but it still will help with libido and give you some energy cause it stimulates LH just like nolvidex. See some guys just think clomid raises test levels and nolv block estrogen and that's not all it does. I would of blasted hcg 10-15 days before I started nolv cause your going from 500mg for 16 weeks to nothing and didnt lower dose as you came off and I think clomid isnt enough especially the way you had it set up. The nolv will stimulate then it releases LH which will increase your natural test levels im talking from personal experience and what worked for me. You should have a better idea of what happened then I do. Have you used same protocol last 4 cycles? I've been there and you have to be feeling like shit and always exhausted. My opinion is pct wasnt legit or your pct protocol wasnt enough. Your nolv setup was good but I would of did clomid
Wk 1. 150mg
Wk 2. 150mg
Wk 3. 100mg
Wk 4. 100mg
Wk 5. 50mg
Wk 6. 50 mg
Wk 7. 25 mg
Wk 8. 25 mg

We all have to be researching cause AAS isnt something that should be taken lightly and its underestimated most of the time. I mean more than just googling something cause you cant beleive the first thing that pops up you have to do A thorough research. PCT is so important for you to get back to normal and if we aren't informed on which individual substance does what for us we can really have some major health issiues. There are some knowledible guys on this forum but I wouldnt just follow someones protocol without researching what everything is actually doing. Plus everybody is different. I would go to the doctor cause I'm not gunna tell you to just jump on TRT cause that's a lifetime deal and I'm not sure if your comfortable with that.



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I used to take mid cycle bloods but for this previous cycle I didn’t. Also I’m sure the test was legit because I started getting lump on my left nipple and I have to start popping nolvadex to bring the lump back down.

My first cycle I did PCT like this

Week 1 clomid 100mg
Nolvadex 40mg

Week 2 clomid 100mg
Nolvadex 40mg

Week 3 clomid 50mg
Nolvadex 20mg

Week 4 clomid 50mg
Nolvadex 20mg

I did a bunch on research on PCT and every where I looked everyone had a different dose or length of time.

I’m thinking it may have been the low dosage clomid because I looked back at all my other blood work and it seemed to be way better.

Last cycle my post blood showed testosterone level 290 which is a lot better than what it is now at 90

I’ll take your advice and buy pharma grade clomid and nolvadex and run the clomid at the higher dose and for longer

I guess I stick with the same dose for nolvadex but should I stop nolvadex end of the 4th week and just continue clomid for another 4 weeks?

Or continue nolvadex along side clomid for additional 4 weeks?

Thanks for your help.

Originally Posted by yoshi925

I used to take mid cycle bloods but for this previous cycle I didn’t. Also I’m sure the test was legit because I started getting lump on my left nipple and I have to start popping nolvadex to bring the lump back down.

My first cycle I did PCT like this

Week 1 clomid 100mg
Nolvadex 40mg

Week 2 clomid 100mg
Nolvadex 40mg

Week 3 clomid 50mg
Nolvadex 20mg

Week 4 clomid 50mg
Nolvadex 20mg

I did a bunch on research on PCT and every where I looked everyone had a different dose or length of time.

I’m thinking it may have been the low dosage clomid because I looked back at all my other blood work and it seemed to be way better.

Last cycle my post blood showed testosterone level 290 which is a lot better than what it is now at 90

I’ll take your advice and buy pharma grade clomid and nolvadex and run the clomid at the higher dose and for longer

I guess I stick with the same dose for nolvadex but should I stop nolvadex end of the 4th week and just continue clomid for another 4 weeks?

Or continue nolvadex along side clomid for additional 4 weeks?

Thanks for your help.

I just got some HUCOG premix hcg myself and I never used pre mix before? How was it did you feel the affects at all? Idk bro if previous bloodwork on PCT was good and this time looks like you had nothing in your system then I would be questioning the PCT. Pharma is the way to go with out a doubt and it's pretty cheap to. Yes I would run the nolv for just 4 weeks then drop it. It depends what your going to do from hear idk if you have access to a doctor and if you have insurance but if you dont plan on going to doctor I would jump on some hcg and use a AI cause it's going to bump your estrogen for sure and add some clomid then get bloodwork again to see where your at or go to doctor and get his opinion. I suggest anything with PCT, AI its should be pharma grade.

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