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      Dave Palumbo and Anabolics

      So supposedly Dave doesnt recommend too much over a gram of test per week, along with other stuff of course. Though if you pay attention in a few of his videos over time he claims to have used much more than that in the past. What do you guys think about running high test? You're meaning to tell me guys who are advanced or pros didnt use more than a gram to build that muscle? Maybe the genetic freaks didn't, but what about the ones that needed to push more juice to grow? I know GH and slin are involved but this is strictly referring to AAS and mainly test.

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      I'm sure all these big time pros have used ridiculously high dosages. A lot of them even come out saying that they do, but I've yet to find anyone that actually RECOMMENDS doing it. Theres a difference between admitting to doing it versus recommending people to do it. There are health risks involved with these things and no one is going to put their ass on the line and recommend those kinds of things. That's my thinking on it. It could also be that some of them have used these high amounts, and later on regret it. Perhaps they don't want anyone going down the same path they went down. Who knows really. We're all doing crazy experiments with our bodies. Some go further than others.

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      Yes of course he has mentioned it, although he would always note that when this topic comes up he would always stress that there is no point to go over 1-1.2g. And honestly it's not that necessary to go over 1g anyway.. Let alone just 750mg. NOW this of course obviously, is whether your stuff is real and of good quality. Nothing crazy or surprising there. (How do you know? take blood tests correctly). And yes! of course there are guys that are advanced and even pros that are just using 750-1g of test, most definitely.. And yes, there are the guys that do admit taking the so called high amounts of stuff too. But to me, honestly these guys when I hear them talk about this and that about it, and even their friends or whoever, they don't seem to be all that bright and all that knowledgable on the subject in the first place. Some of the MAJOR factors that differentiates these guys from the others, is the work put in, the consistency, knowledge, and so on, there are just so many factors to it. If only people could be more educated on understanding HOW to really build muscle there really wouldn't be much of a drug talk. But unfortunately this is what it's all about nowadays. In my honest opinion, and I'm sure there are a lot of guys around that know what they are really doing can agree with me on this. If you can NOT grow using 1g of test then there is something wrong. (Keeping in mind that even if your diet included is on point). We have to realize that just because someone is a Pro or looks big or something to that fact, it doesn't mean they are the smartest person about this topic. Also, if some people could really just understand how much 1g or 750mg of test is by itself... It really is A LOT.. Although at the end of the day people will want to go above and beyond thinking this and that about this or that so really it nowadays seems to just come down to personal preference. Just because someone is taking a certain amount doesn't mean that's what you should be doing in order to get to a certain level or because that everyone else is doing it.

      As for GH and insulin, especially the insulin.. It does attribute to the look (size). Even with that it doesn't take much insulin to use to even be that "freak".

      I know that some of this may sound too good to be true for some, but just try it considering first having learn on nutrition, training, supplements and to utilize that info to help you. It really is that easy. I know it may seem like all this stuff can sound questionable, but unfortunately it is this way because there are a lot of people that don't realize what they are really doing.

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      I have personally talked to a guy at the Arnold classic year. There are guys using 16iu of gh daily. I assume sponsors are paying for it??
      I knew a guy using 3g of omandren back in 07 when it was so easy to get. He was also using 800mg of tren, 1200mg decca etc. Dude was a freak!

      I don't know near enough to try to mess with slin. Anyone can get it at Walmart without a script, but it's the time release and you better know what your doing!!

      These guys are genetic freaks! That's one thing you got to remember!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rza_92 View Post
      Yes of course he has mentioned it, although he would always note that when this topic comes up he would always stress that there is no point to go over 1-1.2g. And honestly it's not that necessary to go over 1g anyway.. Let alone just 750mg. NOW this of course obviously, is whether your stuff is real and of good quality. Nothing crazy or surprising there. (How do you know? take blood tests correctly). And yes! of course there are guys that are advanced and even pros that are just using 750-1g of test, most definitely.. And yes, there are the guys that do admit taking the so called high amounts of stuff too. But to me, honestly these guys when I hear them talk about this and that about it, and even their friends or whoever, they don't seem to be all that bright and all that knowledgable on the subject in the first place. Some of the MAJOR factors that differentiates these guys from the others, is the work put in, the consistency, knowledge, and so on, there are just so many factors to it. If only people could be more educated on understanding HOW to really build muscle there really wouldn't be much of a drug talk. But unfortunately this is what it's all about nowadays. In my honest opinion, and I'm sure there are a lot of guys around that know what they are really doing can agree with me on this. If you can NOT grow using 1g of test then there is something wrong. (Keeping in mind that even if your diet included is on point). We have to realize that just because someone is a Pro or looks big or something to that fact, it doesn't mean they are the smartest person about this topic. Also, if some people could really just understand how much 1g or 750mg of test is by itself... It really is A LOT.. Although at the end of the day people will want to go above and beyond thinking this and that about this or that so really it nowadays seems to just come down to personal preference. Just because someone is taking a certain amount doesn't mean that's what you should be doing in order to get to a certain level or because that everyone else is doing it.

      As for GH and insulin, especially the insulin.. It does attribute to the look (size). Even with that it doesn't take much insulin to use to even be that "freak".

      I know that some of this may sound too good to be true for some, but just try it considering first having learn on nutrition, training, supplements and to utilize that info to help you. It really is that easy. I know it may seem like all this stuff can sound questionable, but unfortunately it is this way because there are a lot of people that don't realize what they are really doing.
      Ya I agree with what your saying. The highest I ran was 750mg test wk and was in the best shape that I ever been in but felt the worst I ever had and not to mention 100mg tren ED. My opinion once slin and hgh is introduced i dont think you need 1k test a week i personally beleive and this was with me and my thinking it's more of an addiction cause it's never enough your not big enough your not cut enough and how do i achieve that goal well adding more compounds and higher in the dose. From guys i know and videos I've seen most BB are drug addicts as well and maybe me saying most isnt correct i would say a high percentage is. Especially if there is an injury involved and jump on some pain pills. Also it's a differnt generation back then doing cocaine was socially acceptable. I don't want to speak for other guys but that was my mind frame if I wanted to be bigger or leaner I need more AAS. It's a mind fuck and once your into it and have your mind made up it's almost impossible for you to stop.

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      Seth Feroce shows an example blast. He mentions his top end for Test around 1.2g. @9:00 mark
      He doesn't log slin in video, most likely because of the dangers.
      He also says "I prefer Nolvadex over Arimidex", so I guess he doesn't run an AI. He just blocks gyno with SERM.
      So I am not sure what all that is about. @20:00 mark for "Anti-E talk". I am guessing he knows the difference between a SERM and AI... not sure.

      I have ran for last 4 weeks of last blast: Test E brewed @300mg/ml 1%BA 7%BB with 2% overdose:
      210mg ED (0.7ml) which is 1470mg/wk (4.9ml total oil)

      I was running with 500mg/wk Deca.

      12mg Aromasin EOD
      20mg Nolvadex E3D
      5mg Cialis ED

      The magic was around when I was at 1.2g. Going to 1470mg I began to get some acne flare up on shoulders.
      At 1.2g I did get a heavy feeling in legs that may bug some who stand for long periods or walk alot at work. This is from constantly feeling pumped. Anything you do that requires some muscular effort give you intense pump. I did NOT get bad back pumps which was awesome. It also felt like my joint had even more cushion. The bottom of the squat, or bench, more of a bounce and cushion and stretch reflex type feeling. This is likely due to some water retention, which wasn't a bad thing because my blood pressure is normal.
      Also took a small hit on cardio like running Tren.

      I can tell you at 600mg Test with 500Deca, I can feel the increased recovery, some pump, slight bump in energy and other stuff...
      But 1.2g is night and day. The pumps are beyond real. I always felt on. My traps and shoulders are genetically gifted. I don't even do shrugs and my traps are freaky. Just doing shoulder press amd deadlifting is enough. The intense pump does cause some pain at the shoulder/trap tie in area. Somewhat like how backpumps may bother you, the tie in burn from shoulder presses is insane. It doesn't bother me to where I don't train hard.... it just shows me the difference compared to 600mg/wk.
      I became more vascular. I start to lose bodyfat. This is most likely due to increase in Test dosage, without a significant increase in calories. Coupled with increase metabolic rate? So, I could have probably gained even more had I bumped up calories. I actually liked the leaning effect.
      My forearms become pumped just bringing in the groceries. I was sitting on the couch and my wife pointed at the significant increase in vascularity in my forearm, and asked if it was normal for my veins on top of my forearm to be so large and protruding. She then asked when was the last time I donated blood lol.

      NOTE: I only do one high dose blast a year. Others are lower and sometimes include Tren.

      I will attempt to push the envelope just once, for my next blast.
      Here it is: Doing in 8 weeks after bloodwork and donation. If sides outweight gain, I will default to 1.2g.

      WARNING: If you are new to AAS, trust us when we say that you can't just jump into a blast like this.

      Next big blast: This will be my last big blast like this for a good while.
      I don't compete, only with myself.
      I brew all my gear and use raws for everything. So it's not expensive.
      I don't run GH or slin.
      I run anadrol maybe twice a year, during a smaller blast.
      I run hcg on and off as well.
      Optional smaller blast with DHB at end.

      Test E
      Wks 1-4: 180mg ED (0.6ml) 1260mg/wk (4.2ml)
      Wk 4-8: 225mg ED (0.75ml)
      1575mg/wk (5.25ml)
      Wk 9-12: 270mg ED (0.9ml)
      1890mg/wk (6.3ml)

      Deca:
      Wks 1-2: Frontload 300mg(1ml) Mon. & Wedn. morning, Fri night
      900mg (3ml)

      Wks 3-12: 360mg E3.5D (1.2ml)
      720mg/wk (2.4ml)

      Switch Gears (see what I did there)
      If I decide to do a Tren A run...
      Wks 13-16: Drop Test E and Deca to 420mg/wk each.
      Inject 0.7ml (210mg) E3.5D Mon. morning and Thurs. night.

      Wks 13-16 add Tren A 75mg ED

      I need to drop test to low dose of 420mg, otherwise I will get shoulder acne if adding Tren A.

      Aromasin
      Wk 1-8: 12.5mg E3D
      Wk 9-12: 12.5mg EOD

      Nolvadex (if needed, dosage varies). May only need weeks 9-12.
      Could be 10mg/day, or 20mg EOD. depends. Not the whole 4 weeks. Just when needed.

      Cialis
      5mg ED

      I don't really get much bloat and water retention.
      My diet is pretty clean and planned out. I don't go crazy with the macros, but I eat enough to grow.
      I have alot of Tren E that I brewed, but I run that on a smaller blast during the year.
      I have prami but no longer need to use it with my blasts.
      I only need 4 weeks of Tren A and it works wonders.

      My smaller blast are weekly dose 500mg Test E, 500mg Deca, 500mg Tren E.
      If I need to get shredded, 420mg Test E and 700mg Tren E works nice.

      Cruise of 10wks is 200mg wk...

      Optional:
      I brew up some DHB @100mg/ml.
      Test E @300mg EOD(1ml)
      490mg DHB/wk(0.7ml or 70mg ED)
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      I have used Palumbo as a coach for almost a year. Last year when I signed on I made it clear I have access to anything and can afford to use them at any amount.
      He suggested I use 750mg Test, 600mg Eq and 200mg Deca only. I also use 4iu HGH daily per his suggestion. What I like about him is that he mirrors my thoughts on many issues. My results were great and it confirmed my belief that you don't need a shitload of gear and that most of the guys on the forums use way too much shit. Just too much reliance on gear. It's such a small part of development. Important but very small. Especially for young people and newbs.

      It's like now if anyone starts at the gym, to lose fat, gain muscle, whatever, they first worry about what their cycle will look like. The secondary thoughts are diet and training and even health.

      I don't know how to shift the thought process so prevalent now but I wish I could.

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      I think itís all dependent on the individual. As we all know, everyone responds differently. Meaning you have your people who require more gear, those who require less and some who fall in the middle.

      But a great point was made in a post on here which I always like the affirm: the gear doesnít work unless you do. It doesnít matter how much you take, if youíre diet isnít dialed in and followed religiously, if youíre not training hard consistently and if there isnít some type of cardio in there for your vascular health; then the gear cannot work nearly as good as it could it all the fundamental pillars are in place.

      For me the goal is to be in this game for a long, long time. So taking supplements several times a day, every day is vital. Getting blood work done quarterly is necessary. Maintaining a clean, healthy diet year round is followed like its gospel.

      So before gear even becomes a determining factor, IMO I think there has to be fundamental blocks established before it can really shine at any dosage. I know way too many people who run gear and look like shit because they think they can do whatever because theyíre enhanced. Hence like I said: the gear doesnít work unless the individual does

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      Quote Originally Posted by Enigma View Post
      I have used Palumbo as a coach for almost a year. Last year when I signed on I made it clear I have access to anything and can afford to use them at any amount.
      He suggested I use 750mg Test, 600mg Eq and 200mg Deca only. I also use 4iu HGH daily per his suggestion. What I like about him is that he mirrors my thoughts on many issues. My results were great and it confirmed my belief that you don't need a shitload of gear and that most of the guys on the forums use way too much shit. Just too much reliance on gear. It's such a small part of development. Important but very small. Especially for young people and newbs.

      It's like now if anyone starts at the gym, to lose fat, gain muscle, whatever, they first worry about what their cycle will look like. The secondary thoughts are diet and training and even health.

      I don't know how to shift the thought process so prevalent now but I wish I could.
      3 months ago we decided to use Dave as my girls coach. She is moving up to physique this year and he came highly recommended. We are very impressed with his style and happy with what we have seen so far.


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      There is one other part to this discussion. Theres a big difference between most of us and the guys out competing.
      I knew a handful of guys that were decent on the amateur level, and hung around some of that circle for a while. Those guys think they need super large amounts of everything to get to the next level. More often than not, that's where you hear about the crazy cycles and crazy doses. The 2nd part is, when you get to the level of a palumbo or such, you are 300lbs plus, and have gone through a long time of use of multiple combos and at that size, will need to up your protocols to keep ahead of what your body has become accustomed to, and to keep that size.
      For your average guy, and even large average guy, we aren't within those parameters.
      So you have to run it at scale. If you have run cycles fkr a year or two or three, and got up to 1.5 grams a week for example. Yeah you may have to up your protocol to 1.75 or 2 grams a week. But not to 4 or 5 grams a week. That's nuts. Although I've had this argument with a guy on a regular basis -he isn't that big, yet constantly advises people they need to be on 4 grams a week or they wont grow. Some people just believe that they need large dosages regardless of what they could achieve on running a long term step-up protocol

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