OTC AI while on test cycle

**Kingslate** · 01-16-2019, 05:50 PM

Just trying to get some feed back on this. Do any of these ingredients look bad to take while on test e 500mg / week? Mainly want to take for reduced estrogen conversion and trying to stick with something mild right now since it's my first go and a pretty basic cycle. I'll have aromasin on deck soon but now I'm a little confused on what to do. Some say don't take an AI unless gyno symptoms occure, and other places I read that once they occur it's to late and may even have to stop cycle. Just looking for some experienced help here guys. Thank you.

**Archey** · 01-16-2019, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kingslate

Just trying to get some feed back on this. Do any of these ingredients look bad to take while on test e 500mg / week? Mainly want to take for reduced estrogen conversion and trying to stick with something mild right now since it's my first go and a pretty basic cycle. I'll have aromasin on deck soon but now I'm a little confused on what to do. Some say don't take an AI unless gyno symptoms occure, and other places I read that once they occur it's to late and may even have to stop cycle. Just looking for some experienced help here guys. Thank you.

First off everyone converts to e2 so not taking an ai is fucking retarded in my book for multi reason high e2 isnt good for you at all
But if you do get gyno while on cycle there is no reason to stop cycling its pretty simple omce it comes start taking nolva 20mg a day and up your ai once symtoms leave you can stop the nolva or lower it but if you take the right amount of ai right out the gate its much easier to control i dont ever start my ai till week 2 unless im taking prop i take .25mg ed of armidex works perfect and thats on 200mg of prop and 300 mg of cyp and all my test is 20 percent over dosed

**Archey** · 01-16-2019, 06:37 PM

and otc shit dosent work at all ive tryed it all

**Kingslate** · 01-16-2019, 07:41 PM

Yea, I'm starting to lean towards just taking aromasin as soon as it gets here which I'll be about four weeks into cycle by then. It's just the more and more I read on various forms people are saying not to take it unless symptoms occur. I understand the e2 will be elevated for everyone, but not everyone will get symptoms and it seems that taking an AI when not needed does more harm than good for gains and overall well being.

**Couchlockd** · 01-16-2019, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Archey

First off everyone converts to e2 so not taking an ai is fucking retarded in my book for multi reason high e2 isnt good for you at all
But if you do get gyno while on cycle there is no reason to stop cycling its pretty simple omce it comes start taking nolva 20mg a day and up your ai once symtoms leave you can stop the nolva or lower it but if you take the right amount of ai right out the gate its much easier to control i dont ever start my ai till week 2 unless im taking prop i take .25mg ed of armidex works perfect and thats on 200mg of prop and 300 mg of cyp and all my test is 20 percent over dosed

High but in range E2 is very beneficial to muscle growth, well being, cholesterol, and energy levels.

Crashing or very low E2 can be very very bad.

Low E2 leads to terrible cholesterol, bad joints, mood swings and dvt

**Rock Diesel** · 01-17-2019, 03:48 AM

I know a lot of guys who always take an AI from the start which works for them, but everyone's body is different and you truly may not need it. Like Couchlockd said, bringing your E2 down really low is not good for health, or muscle gains. You still need some estro for muscle and health. That's why it's always imperative to get your blood work done and know where all your levels are before you even start.

Now we all know a lot of us don't get our blood work done like we should (myself included), so you're only left with two options... Start it at the beginning of your cycle, or wait to see if you start getting any estro sides and then start it. I prefer the aromasin over arimidex since it's easier on your lipids. If you do start it, I'd run it in smaller doses at first (something like 12.5mg eod) and if estro sides start creeping up you can gradually increase it. 500mg of test is great for a first cycle, but isn't a huge dosage, so you really may not need it.

Lastly, I wouldn't rely on OTC AIs.

**Kingslate** · 01-17-2019, 04:10 PM

Thanks guys. Really appreciate the feedback. I know it's different for everyone and you cant really know until it's all said it done. I was just freaking out yesterday probably for no reason. I'll probably hold off until symptoms show if they do at all. My conclusion is as long as I'm not prone to gyno, which no way to tell, but if I'm not and given it's a basic cycle then it's best to hold off for now.

Yesterday I thought I felt sensitive nips lmao.. and then once you think that your prone to feel everything
Today seems normal and from what I gather it's not a guess whether your getting gyno... it's more like you know you have symptoms if in deed they are present.

**Kingslate** · 01-17-2019, 04:12 PM

And I'm only two weeks in to the day and friends say no way it could happen that quick unless I'm just super sensitive to estrogen.

**Couchlockd** · 01-17-2019, 06:27 PM

@ 500mg a week I'd just dose nolva and let the E2 bring the mass.

I wanna show you something, abd there is a big reason why this is compounded like so
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Now if running D-Bol and high dose test, yes AI from week 1 at .25mg EOD.

**Archey** · 01-17-2019, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

High but in range E2 is very beneficial to muscle growth, well being, cholesterol, and energy levels.

Crashing or very low E2 can be very very bad.

Low E2 leads to terrible cholesterol, bad joints, mood swings and dvt

High e2 is just as bad just because you dont get gyno doesn't mean your not converting to e2 high e2 is bad on water retention cholesterol sex drive blood pressure and just straight up being a bitch roid rage comes from high e2 anyone that thinks when they take test that there e2 is in range without an ai is fucked up