Thread: A good debate on Tren dosage!

I think we should specify if using Tren A vs Tren E.
Tren A is a beast compared to Tren E.
We should also probably specify pinning frequency.
Plus we have ester weight and actual amount of Tren per dose.
FIRST OFF! Tren A has more punch. Even comparable dosages of Tren E, you will get a different feel from Tren A. Tren E is a more smooth, not so much IN YOUR FACE.

Sure, it may just be different ester, and still just Tren...
However, Tren A if pinned ED is going to have less dwell time, or keep blood levels higher for longer period of time, than Tren E. Tren E if pinned E3.5D will have significantly longer periods of lower average blood levels than Tren Ace.

Tren E to Tren A
You would need around 380mg Tren E every 3.5 days (760mg/wk) to match baseline blood levels of 75mg ED Tren A.(525mg/wk).
Found using steroidcalc.com cycle grapher.

Example using 450mg Tren E pinned 225mg E3.5D vs Tren A pinned around 64.2mg ED (around 450mg/wk)
Tren A never really drops below 54. Tren E has significant time below 45.
Actual blood levels do not behave in a linear fashion like this of course.
Top is Tren A, bottom Tren E
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Any change in pinning schedule will effect levels.
A pretty close way of converting Tren A to Tren E is to Take Tren A dose pinned ED, let's say 45mg, and add a 0, so 450mg Tren E is comparable to Tren A 45mg ED
You can see the average or midline level is around the same. (45mg)
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Originally Posted by Micki420

this is interesting. Im taking 450mg tren from flash labs and have yet to have any sides. I do get really bad heartburn sometimes while injecting and at night. Other than that, nothing. Makes me wanna up the dose to see how much I can handle lol....

Tren A or Tren E?
You are taking roughly compared dose of 45mg ED of Tren A if you are running Tren E at 450mg.
I say if it's been 3-4weeks, bump it to 550 Tren E.
If you have a DA like Prami or Caber... experiment further by just bumping it to 600mg.
My first run was Ace. I was better anle to experiment with dosages due to fast level increase. My first 8 week run I started at 50mg ED. I ended at 80mg ED.
75mg ED is a typical standard you will see many mention.
However, everyone is different.
You can get awesome results with 50mg ED Tren A

Originally Posted by Micki420

Do you think there is any downfall taking 600-800 on a cycle if I continue to have no sides?

just don’t hear too much about internal sides much about tren other than mental.

No, you should be fine. See what you can handle, then next run you will know where you stand and can use the dosage that was effective with least amount of sides.

I don't get sides until much higher dose.
Around 80mg ED Tren A or 800mg Tren E.
I personally have no reason to run that high because I have found what works for me.

I don't recommend higher dosages if:
-You are in positions where you argue alot,
-You are having problems with significant other, friends, or family
-you get bad road rage
-you are in a toxic relationship
-you find yourself in frequent confrontation with people
-you are abusive
-you have came close to attempting suicide, or at one point attempted in some way, or have thoughts of doing it frequently(don't be selfish, think of other peoples feelings, and how they will be left hurting)
-you have obstructive sleep apnea(unless you have cpap
-I can go on and on... the list is probably endless.

Some things that will let you know your getting to your limit:
Trensomnia. It's not so much trouble falling asleep. For me it's waking 3 hours later, feeling like I am not tired. I don't wake up with that feeling that I was sleeping. I don't have that groggy feeling. Also many wakeup episodes. No solid sleep. Trouble falling back to sleep.
Main thing is constantly waking up. There are reasons for this. Research and you will see.
Lack of good solid sleep begins to catch up. I feel alot of irritability is from lack of sleep.

When the level of Trensomnia effects your performance, your dosage is too high. That is subjective however.
If you compete, it takes another level of discipline to push through that. If you don't compete, there is no reason to. Unless you want to. Competitors have a deadline.

Acne: Lower your test dosage. If your already down to TRT levels, well, your genetics with regards to acne will limit your Tren dose.

Jealousy, playing movies in your head. Even people who aren't normally jealous may get jealous. You could lower your AI dose, but this could lead to needing Prami or Caber because your estro will begin to run in higher range. There are studies regarding estrogen levels and jealousy. Lower estrogen, or killing your estrogen, has a side effect of jealously. If that doesn't work, lower your dose of Tren.

Thoughts of suicide. Usually if you have contemplated it in the past, had a plan, and came close tobactually doing it... high dose tren can bring that back if shit hits the fan in your life, or just because. Everyone that has contemplated it has their own reasons. If someone had an issue with this, and begin to think about it again....
First realize it's the Tren. Lower your dosage immediately. It will take some time for the symptoms to subside because you are in a dark place now.
I speak from personal experience. The only thing that stopped me was the fact I know suicide is SELFISH to everyone around you. I had the gun to my head many times, finger on the trigger. Thinking... just fucking do it already. All I could picture was my kids, so I couldn't and never would do it. Therefore I am not a danger to myself. My morals and care for others won't let it happen.
I have about 6 soldiers that I have deployed with as infantry, that have done it. I see what it does to everyone around them. I am past all that now. However for someone else, on high dose of Tren... you may not have the same restraint.
That was my first run of Tren. Around 80mg ED and I began to think about it again. I am actually glad I experienced it. Once the ride was over, I was able to reflect on it.
I have ran high dose again and it wasn't an issue.
I believe it's only an issue for those who have considered it.

I have obstructive sleep apnea. I did not have a CPAP my first crazy run. THAT BLEW EVERYTHING out of proportion, BELIEVE ME!
I have a CPAP now and sleep is awesome.

Coming off high dose for the first time is like Chris Farley rolling down the hillside, then looking back like, "what in the hell was that all about?