Horrendous PIP - Test 400

**joko123** · 03-20-2019, 03:45 PM

Honestly bro just get ride of it. I used to my run high mg gear to save a few bucks and would not of for a week. A week and a half every time. You can not grow if you’re not knotted and swollen for days the muscle can do what it is intended to do

Joko

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**mjrpwrlfting** · 03-20-2019, 03:57 PM

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**Sqwuidd** · 03-20-2019, 04:06 PM

Send it to me bro I’ll use it

lol

Nah if it hurts then it isn’t worth it

Spend more time outta the gym than bc of it

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**Biggaintime** · 03-20-2019, 04:57 PM

Like Joko said either throw it all away or give it to Squidd

**Rizkybuziness** · 03-21-2019, 04:23 AM

Try mixing it with your trt dose.

**Jozifp103** · 03-21-2019, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Biggaintime

Sounds about right

Seems like more of a gimmick people think they can get more bang for their buck. But at what cost? Oh I could see doing a pre workout with Pip. There's benefits there. But we're talking test here. Not sure what the price difference is. Or how much they're saving by getting concentrate.

Depends on the source I suppose but if anything you may be saving $5-$10 per vial if any. Which doesn't seem worth it to have a permanent limp and hindered workouts.

Originally Posted by Biggaintime

And as far as Rich goes love him or hate him.
The guy could do the vacuum pose at 350 lb.
Yes he used a lot of Synthol. But that doesn't discredit the amount of muscle he had hiding underneath that.
Craig golias is comparable in size but without the Synthol. Now that's a mass monster. To be clear I'm not talkin about Aesthetics here

Not to get off topic here but I myself have serious doubts that Craig Golias isn't using synthol. Used correctly you won't even notice someone's using it, and someone his size and his proportions I'd be skeptical to say the least.

Originally Posted by MrBash

Yes Big he did say in that interview that when labs advertised high dosed gear don’t believe it.. I also think it may be a little u true.. because it been proven wrong unless we all are getting bambooozled .. doubt it.. my buddy is orders from a lab international a well known brand and respected and he is getting sust500. And deca 500. The oil is deep yellow and looks like syrup.. he is also getting tri tren that has all three esters in it.. so high mg oil is possible for sure but expect a wham bam thank you man behind it. Bottom line is if anyone orders a high mg oil or any oil with no water expect a pip . If you don’t get it consider yourself lucky. I will say it again I am uso g a labs test prop at the moment and have been using it for a while now and I am crippled for two days after I inject it I. My quads Bi’s and pecs’s are the worst in that order. If I hit my VG or ass cheeks no problem. So expect to be crippled. I did a shot in my quad a few weeks back it swelled up so bad not just the inject site but the whole quad I thought I had a infection. Went to the dr and she put me on a antibiotic. Turns out it’s just the compound. Still using the same shit. But I am of on a tangit now. It’s not the lab or others would be bitching about them by now.

Originally Posted by Biggaintime

What he said more or less was that it was absolutely ridiculous putting 400-500 on 1ml. In fact I believe he said it was impossible to make that real. Which seems to be untrue. I believe it's absolutely ridiculous. I don't Brew I'm not a brewmaster. I'm not that kind of doctor. I do believe it's like stuffing a football down a straw.

Now if we have to dilute it then why we even buy it.
Diluting something for pip let's say dhb not the same idea. You didn't buy it because it was concentrated per milliliter. So in a sense not the same kind of pip. I mention this because in that case diluting that would be a great idea.

As far as your comment about hate to waste it. Now I wouldn't waste it I would just dilute it. Seems to be your only option here.

I'm sure the source has a perfectly reasonable explanation on how this is the best concentration they could possibly make. Perhaps they can even fit a couple of more hundred . If that's the case then I am completely uneducated. And I apologize.

Yea Rich talked a lot of nonsense. I respect him for never pulling punches or sugar coating but sometimes he confused real science with bro science. Literally what he said was anything you get that's higher than 250mg/mL was underdosed because it's impossible to make a higher concentration than that. I loved the guy but that there is some nonsense. You can absolutely make a 500mg/mL concentration. I've home brewed a 500mg/mL batch myself and it held just fine. However it takes a lot more solvents which causes a lot more PIP. Hence why I 86ed the batch after trying it . You can even go higher than that but it gets to the point where it's just not safe to use. As far as making a COMFORTABLE product at that dose, it's either impossible or you have to be goddamn Walter White and be a master chemist. I've seen one lab claim to produce a 600mg/mL test blend. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't but that right there would be a red flag for me for that source.

Originally Posted by Atila39

Throw that shit away like I did yesterday. I don't have money to waste but fuck that shit hurts. I'm no pussy but when it interferes with workouts, it's not worth it. The gear from the other sponsor I have is smooth. I still can't pin in my right delt or quad. I pinned about a week after that first time with the good gear, and you know the pip was damn near as bad as the test400. I blame the test400. One guy here said it took months to pin comfortably after bad gear, and I fucking believe him. I'm not fucking up my body anymore than I have to.

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Yea man pinning bad gear can ruin a good injection spot. Clean, moderately dosed gear is usually fine and your body can adapt to it. If you shoot a high dosed product with all those solvents your body will see all those solvents and hormones and either attack them causing an immune response (common cause of "test flu") which can make you feel run-down, achy, and fluey. OR it will treat it as an unrecognized entity and basically form a capsule around it to isolate it and prevent it from spreading. This is how you get a sterile abscess. Once you have an abscess in a spot...scar tissue and blood vessels form basically making that spot a minefield of veins, vessels, and puss pockets for future injections.

**Biggaintime** · 03-21-2019, 11:34 AM

I think that was all well said
and like I said with Rich that was proven to be wrong obviously it can be done but at what cost as far as pip goes.
Okay Craig golias might as well talk about him LOL

Now the guy has a funky upper body and I believe his head to be small even though I've never seen him in person I think he's about the same size as Rich somewhere around 6'2 maybe an inch taller. So if you look at these two pictures the difference is 1 is contest shape the other one is as wet as can be. In fact the only way he can have size on his arms is if he extremely wet.
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But yeah you can see this mass of area between his shoulders and chest. It's easy for him to fill it out and look huge. At the same time like you said when used properly he could totally have a gallon of Synthol in there. And being so wet and holding so much water he could disguise it very well I believe. But if I have found out for an absolute fact that he did not use it well that wouldn't Shock Me. Now Rich on the other hand was so obvious it was ridiculous. His arms in certain positions literally look like bread loaves. Both of these guys can hit the 350 lb mark. But both of them have said that they cannot hold that for very long. It's to the extreme. Two noticeable differences. Is Rich at 350 lb can hit a vacuum pose and be lean whereas Craig could never do that
Neither one of these guys can do anything on stage. That's for certain