Horrendous PIP - Test 400

**Jozifp103** · 03-19-2019, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Johnnyringo

Lately I scores some Test 400 from a reputable source. I’ve been administering on a low dose (0.5ml/wk) to supplement my TRT. First few pins I noticed PIP that would last a few days. However this last pin was absolutely awful. My asscheek swelled and the pain was excruciating to the point it hurt to sit or lay on my back. From what I’ve read this is fairly common with higher concentrations of test. Is there anything I can do to dilute or salvage? Really hate to waste it.

Like others have said, if you have sterile GSO, CSO, MCT, etc...dilute it with that. You can try mixing it with a less harsh AAS but honestly it won't do much as you're just adding more hormone and solvents.

Originally Posted by MrBash

So I remember watching a interview a while back with the Late great Rich P.. R.IP. Homie. Anyway he said that these high concentrations of gear 3-4-500mg are very harsh when it comes to pip. He also said some other things I can’t remeber. But he said it also has to do person to person. Everyone reacts different. I would try mixing it with another compound. If that dosnt work try to cut it down again to a smaller dose and mix with another compound. Shit hurts sometimes it the price of doing business. I am using trs. P right now that is giving me a permanent pimp limp. Also make sure you are going deep enough in the glute. At least 1-1/2inch.

Originally Posted by meatneck71

Back in the day, I ran 400mg test from my favorite sponsor and wowzer, that was SUPER painful. I only injected in my delts, so, I could barely work out, felt flu-like symptoms for almost a week and I developed a rash that would travel all the way down to the bottom of my bicep and cover half of the thickness. He suggested the same thing also, but no matter how low I ran it (.25 cc), I felt pain to a lesser degree. The only thing that I didn't do is mix it with another oil like gso / mct. just other im steroids. Just sucked. I did get used to it, where it only hurt for a few days without the red heat rash. He basically told me that some guys are physically/biologically able to handle it, while others just can't. From what I've been reading on here in the sticky sections is that when these brews are made at such a high amount, that it somewhat crashes or the concentration of the test is so much that your muscles are literally bombarded with test crystals, which are hard to be absorbed, so they're sitting in your muscle cutting on a micro level. Not sure if that's true or not, but totally makes sense. I'm only taking the OPs knowledge of chemistry as fact. I've even tried to reheat the diluted amount in the oven at 200 degrees for 10 minutes and that sort of helped, but you could always try what cowboymike suggested in a different thread and that is to heat it up in heating pad. I also read that even the higher dosage gear mixes don't necessarily give you the real extra amount for absorption time as well. I was kind of surprised when I read that. Maybe some of the brewers / guys who know more about why this is the case could shed some light on it. I won't go over 300.. but 250 is plenty for me

The only other compound that riveled the pain in 400mg test is boldenone prop! 2 week flu symptoms, no matter the amount. Insane!

To clarify on these....The PIP with high dosed oils is mostly caused by the solvents used. When you're dissolving more hormone into the same volume of carrier, you need to use more solvents to keep the hormone dissolved in the solution. Solvents like Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol, Ethyl Oleate, Guaiacol etc. These can cause inflammation, and irritation of the muscle tissue as it is corrosive to bodily tissue in high amounts. So basically you're feeling the solvents eat away at your muscle tissue. It's a minuscule amount of damage in reality but goddamn can it hurt.

Couple that with the hormone crashing (recrystallizing) inside your muscle...and you got yourself a good old fashioned charlie horse

**Biggaintime** · 03-20-2019, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Jozifp103

Like others have said, if you have sterile GSO, CSO, MCT, etc...dilute it with that. You can try mixing it with a less harsh AAS but honestly it won't do much as you're just adding more hormone and solvents.

To clarify on these....The PIP with high dosed oils is mostly caused by the solvents used. When you're dissolving more hormone into the same volume of carrier, you need to use more solvents to keep the hormone dissolved in the solution. Solvents like Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol, Ethyl Oleate, Guaiacol etc. These can cause inflammation, and irritation of the muscle tissue as it is corrosive to bodily tissue in high amounts. So basically you're feeling the solvents eat away at your muscle tissue. It's a minuscule amount of damage in reality but goddamn can it hurt.

Couple that with the hormone crashing (recrystallizing) inside your muscle...and you got yourself a good old fashioned charlie horse

Sounds about right

Seems like more of a gimmick people think they can get more bang for their buck. But at what cost? Oh I could see doing a pre workout with Pip. There's benefits there. But we're talking test here. Not sure what the price difference is. Or how much they're saving by getting concentrate.