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Originally Posted by
Big Perk
Taking ai the only time ive had axiety attacks...had pharmaceutical 25mg ..aromasin.couldnt split the tiny fucking pill..couple hrs after taking it id get a wave of anxiety that lasts for like 5 min...few times of that i threw them fuckers in trash lol...
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Big P you a bad Mother Fucker!
If you ain't getting laid, quit lifting mother-fucker
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Originally Posted by
Big Perk
Taking ai the only time ive had axiety attacks...had pharmaceutical 25mg ..aromasin.couldnt split the tiny fucking pill..couple hrs after taking it id get a wave of anxiety that lasts for like 5 min...few times of that i threw them fuckers in trash lol...
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If its really that small, crush it up and split it into 4 even piles and just throw it in your mouth and chug water. Not worth the anxiety bro.
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Originally Posted by
Enigma
I feel exactly the same!!! I'm a sway back from waaaaay back!! We never has that many issues.But then again we kept our dosages alot more within reason as well!!
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I crashed my estro on .5mg adex eod once, not a fun ride. Now I run Masteron and low dose Nolvadex with my cycle. No AI. My estrogen is currently at 99 and Ill let it ride there for a time.
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Originally Posted by
Thebricklayer
I crashed my estro on .5mg adex eod once, not a fun ride. Now I run Masteron and low dose Nolvadex with my cycle. No AI. My estrogen is currently at 99 and Ill let it ride there for a time.
I little Masteron works wonders!!
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Originally Posted by
Sachie
You sure do know a lot Enigma! If I drop the AI's should I still run Caber when pinning 100mg TrenA E.O.D?
To each his own. I’ve never used caber. I have some because it’s fairly cheap and OTC here. I tried bromocriptine once on someone’s advice and got wicked headaches.
As I’ve said before, I’m not a big converter and never noticed any prolactin issues.
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Originally Posted by
F.Zane
I little Masteron works wonders!!
Masteron will also block prolactin recpetors.
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Good post. Enjoyed watching this video. I always over did the AIs because I am gyno prone. But this video has made me reconsider some things
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Originally Posted by
Sachie
You sure do know a lot Enigma! If I drop the AI's should I still run Caber when pinning 100mg TrenA E.O.D?
Don't have time to read all the comments so hopefully I'm not being redundant.
If you'd like I can type out the full explanation but I can summarize by saying PRL (Prolactin) only thrives in an Estro rich environment. And Caber boosts DA (Dopamine) which flat out makes me feel great. If you can afford it I encourage it. It's also made a big difference in my sex life too.
It all rides on bloods. I have friends who don't run AI's and can run 750 Sus/Deca 600/Dbol 75mg ED and Estro never rises above 100. If I run Test alone which is usually Test P @ 500 my Estro rises so quick it's ridiculous. I run 12.5mg Asin EOD/.5mg Caber M/Th & Nolva 20mg ED and it's perfect for me yr round. When off cycle and at 180mg week Test E I adjust it to 12.5mg Asin E3D.
The issue I see is low Estro and high Estro yield similar symptoms and if your adjusting your AI protocol based on symptoms alone it's a total crap shoot.
We all will move the scales quicker with high Estro and there's a time for that but that's only when I'm significantly increasing my lifts. If I'm not wet and a bit bloated my joints ache like a mf'r when I make a big jump in lifts.
Also if your taking Tren you have to use a lab that offers an estrogen sensitive panel. Tren will cause your Estro levels to falsely be high. I think if the lab uses Quest then you don't need to add anything tho...I'll check my notes and get back to you.
Down regulation is going to occur what we're doing is the polar opposite of our natural pulse so the body will inevitably aromatize Test. Using an AI to manage this is something I'll never quit. Besides when my Estro was up for several yrs, while I was recovering from a serious injury and spinal surgery, my entire look changed. Fuck my head even got bigger and I lost my chiseled jaw line.
Do your bloods and find what works for you.
I'll throw something else out there that nobody on BOP tests for.......DHT.......down regulation happens in more than one way. My DHT levels are always well above range its why I'm naturally lean asf.
I guess what I don't understand is having to tell someone to take AI's in moderation.....seriously.....dude if you don't know the importance of estrogen with what we do then you need to stop pining now and get back to the basics before you pin again.
With the Nolva thing I will never recommend it to anyone who doesn't have a known issue with gyno or is prone to it. Nolva inhibits endogenous production of GH. By what % I forget I'm sure I can dig up those articles too. Actually if you have or can find a Nolva leaflet it should note this. There's also a drug interaction with Nolva taken Adex and or Letro as well. It reduces the efficacy of both significantly. Grab a Nolva leaflet and read thru it.
Here ya go...from the Nolva leaflet.
In the anastrozole adjuvant trial, co-administration of anastrozole and NOLVADEX in breast
cancer patients reduced anastrozole plasma concentration by 27% compared to those achieved
with anastrozole alone; however, the coadministration did not affect the pharmacokinetics of
tamoxifen or N-desmethyltamoxifen (see PRECAUTIONS -Drug Interactions). NOLVADEX
should not be co-administered with anastrozole.
Last edited by Riggs; 04-21-2019 at 11:56 PM.
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Has anyone mentioned that DA (Dopamine) is also called the PIF (Prolactin Inhibiting Factor)??? Dopamine inhibits Prolactin secretion. If you step back further its a "rise", more specifically a low increase like our natural pulse in Test that stimulates Dopamine. So when we slam in 500mg to 1g of Test a week inevitably the body down regulatiles. Therefore when Test is aromatized DA is inhibited and PRL is not. It's all about balance and I see guys constantly thinking that one one thing will fix it all. It doesn't work that way. I strive to mimic the bodies natural pulse and since I started that I have seen a big improvement across the board.
I am however very estrogen sensitive and have a small pea sized gyno that I refuse to let flare up.
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