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Originally Posted by
Gmen3901
There is a good article labeled Gyno protocol I believe. I personally used Letro 2.5 ed and nolva at 40 until I see slight improvement I drop the Letro and switch to aromasin. Takes about 11 days to knock out for me. I have had Gyno from puberty I believe. Not tits but some puffy nipple puffers. As far as marbles and peas and stuff I have no idea. When I believe I’m getting Gyno or Gyno signs my nips get bigger and almost look like they are starting to stick out a little more and when I twist them they don’t get hard lol zero sex drive. When my bf gets up it’s easier for me to get it on cycle. Taking that much Letro is a bitch and fucks me up for a couple weeks and I’m pretty damn sure not to fucking healthy for you. Dick won’t work if it decides to definitely wont stay hard.
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Yeah that sounds like the general consensus. I’m on a lower dose of Letro now and things are improving significantly and I’m still fucking like a rabbit twice a day so I won’t complain just yet.
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Happy to chime in on this MadMaverick717 , First off , I am the Most gyno prone juicer on the face of the earth. With about 15yrs AAS experience, I have Finally concluded that letro at max dose (some of my BOP brotha's are going to think I'm outta my mind for doing / saying this but I don't give AF. I get labs done every month so I know what works.) of 2.5mg/ed is the Only AI protocol that will combat , reverse , control my gyno if I want to run more than 300mg - 500mgs Test/wk. I tried it all starting with Arimadex , got gyno , had to shut cycle down and do pct , then Aromasin , 1st at 12.5mgs/eod , then 12.5mgs/ed , then 25mgs/eod , then 25mgs/ed. Got the tingle at this dose but didn't want to shut cycle down and do so I switched to letro mid-cycle felt gyno "tingle" at 1.25mgs/3x/wk, upped it to 1.25mgs/eod, tingle again , upped it to 1.25mgs/ed, tingle , then 2.5mgs/3x/wk , same , then 2.5mgs/eod. Same. Finally, I said F it. Went to 2.5mgs ef'nd. Still have a tiny little bb and occasional tingle under 1 nip but gyno stays under control , my estradiol finally tests normal and I'm running / able to run 500mgsTest/wk + 750mgs EQ/wk plus lots of other goodies like MastP , TrenA , Tren Base and orals such as Anavar , Proviron, Epistane and PheraPlex. Through years of trial and error , I've Finally found an on cycle program that works for me.
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Originally Posted by
Jetblack14316
I get what you’re saying man. A lot of guys here will really air you against using Letro. Which is fine and definitely understand why. Some people react terribly to it and some don’t have many issues. It helps some people and some people it doesn’t. From what I read EVERYTHING is based on ones personal experience. I mean you’ve got guys who swear by Letro fixing gyno, others swear it will not due to it being an AI and not a SERM.
You wanting to try something is your personal choice just no most people are really going to try and advise you to not use Letro, for good reason. There isn’t anything wrong with you doing it though.
I’m dealing with some Gyno sides that developed while only on TRT dose and ALSO running 12.5 Aromasin EOD. I am probably sensitive to it. I ran Nolva for about 5 weeks with no such luck and vice waiting on Raloxifene I opted for going with Letro at .5mg daily to see if it helps. It was solely based on availability and not waiting for it to come from over seas for 3 weeks. I may regret the decision or it may pan out. My symptoms are very very small marbles behind my nipples maybe the diameter of what I say would be my average sized areola. However some people, well most say they have sensitivity. I have feeling in them and can tell they are there but you could squeeze them as hard as you wanted and it wouldn’t hurt. Some guys say they couldn’t even give someone a hug, I don’t have that issue.
My point is everyone is different and the smartest thing you can do is start with trying to control your estrogen from the rip and hopefully never have to fight gyno if you can help it.
Good luck man! Hope you find what works for you and I’ll make sure I’ll let ya know how the Letro goes for me.
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Wow. Really good post Jb14316. Keeping it thoughtful and Positive. Don't hate , congratulate, right? Some think their experiences apply to everyone's but no. It Truly Is about one's own Individual Experience(s). Nice brotha!
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Originally Posted by
Bomber72
Wow. Really good post Jb14316. Keeping it thoughtful and Positive. Don't hate , congratulate, right? Some think their experiences apply to everyone's but no. It Truly Is about one's own Individual Experience(s). Nice brotha!
Hell yea bro! I mean, there is no reason to hate. Without different suggestions and experiences amongst everyone we wouldn’t really know exactly what options to even try in the first place! I am still using trial and error to figure out what AI exactly works for me, that’s for sure. I take that back..what AI works to control the lumps!
The thing is Aro 12.5 EOD kept my Estrogen at 27-30 all day. I felt AMAZING..buuuut still have those stubborn lumps! I’m actually using the Letro now. So you said you run 2.5 Letro ED throughout the whole cycle? Sorry if I misread that. How does that feel? Sex drive? Dick functionality? I haven’t had any issues yet but have not gotten past .5mgs yet either.
I actually have read some good posts and gotten some good insight to gyno surgery as well. If you don’t go to a doc that specializes in that area, that surgery can really do a number on the physique of your chest. Not that I’m competing but still, I have seen some pics and was like damn! I’d rather combat the lumps then deal with that. Plus my doc is a VA doc and even though I could easily get the surgery, they definitely do not specialize in it and the guys I know that have had it, two years later their chest still looks pretty weird. To each their own! I’m just here to learn and do what works for me and tell my story!
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Originally Posted by
Jetblack14316
Hell yea bro! I mean, there is no reason to hate. Without different suggestions and experiences amongst everyone we wouldn’t really know exactly what options to even try in the first place! I am still using trial and error to figure out what AI exactly works for me, that’s for sure. I take that back..what AI works to control the lumps!
The thing is Aro 12.5 EOD kept my Estrogen at 27-30 all day. I felt AMAZING..buuuut still have those stubborn lumps! I’m actually using the Letro now. So you said you run 2.5 Letro ED throughout the whole cycle? Sorry if I misread that. How does that feel? Sex drive? Dick functionality? I haven’t had any issues yet but have not gotten past .5mgs yet either.
I actually have read some good posts and gotten some good insight to gyno surgery as well. If you don’t go to a doc that specializes in that area, that surgery can really do a number on the physique of your chest. Not that I’m competing but still, I have seen some pics and was like damn! I’d rather combat the lumps then deal with that. Plus my doc is a VA doc and even though I could easily get the surgery, they definitely do not specialize in it and the guys I know that have had it, two years later their chest still looks pretty weird. To each their own! I’m just here to learn and do what works for me and tell my story!
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Yeah bro. Seems like you Are where I Was with all this. And Yes. Correct. 2.5mg / ED Letro is and has been the Only AI protocol that's kept it all under control..
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Definitely all depends on the person, I'm doing the letro protocol now and after almost 2 weeks on 2.5mgs I had to drop it to 2mgs today my mental state of mind was taking an absolute beating and my dick ain't workin though my lump has halved in size I'm going to decrease by 0.5 every 3days till I get to 0.5 ED by that time my PPL Ralox should be here and I'll be adding that ED with either 0.5 of adex or 0.5 letro or 6.25 asin on pin days
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I think its also important to understand that liquid versions of AI's IMHO are not nearly as potent as the pharma quality tabs. I'm not knocking any sponsor but there is a difference. If you think gear is faked or under-dosed, how easy do you think it would be to do the same with liquids?
Its too cheap to not have these on hand and its not worth it to skimp on price.
I choose aromasin because even though its a suicidal inhibitor, it will only at best control 80% of estrogen. There is no rebound with aromasin and its not as harsh on lipids. I don't know the entire science behind it but I don't think you could wipe out all estrogen at even 10x the dose with aromasin.
I think peoples mood swings are primarily because they yo-yo their estrogen. Yes letro will knock out lumps but it does so because it wipes estrogen down to nothing. That will cause mood swings as well as a loss of gains. Armidex is also great at knocking estro out but its also harsh on your joints.
SO I guess the moral to this rant is, buy good quality AI's, but what works for you and be happy.
BPP
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