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Gymrat gave you the real answer.
It’s the fact you are using Sustanon, which contains propionate and phenylpropionate, both of which give guys pip, from slightly sore to crippling (me).
Just Buy Cyp from an UGL in the future. It will be the same as you’re used to, with the exception of the carrier most likely. If you start having issues THEN you’ll know it’s the GSO your body doesn’t like.
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First time with UG lab gear sustanon possible injection issue advice needed.
Sustanon should be ideally injected every 3-4 days to keep from roller coastering. It has 4 esters and the longest one doesnt take up much of each mL. So you cant treat it as a long estered test or your levels will suffer.
Secondly, yes the trt counts of course but Im not sure why youre worried about that. Every cycle from now on should include your trt dose or more.
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Originally Posted by
bulldogger
Hello
Been training on and off 20 years been on very hard training 5 years and trt for 1 year. Doing my first cycle now. I am doing 300mg sustanon 300 by pharmacon. My TRT Dose is 150mg of Cypionate per week.
Now with this amount do i count my cycle as 300mg per week or is my cycle 425mg per week as I count the trt as part of the dosage?
One question I have is about the half-life of this. I have heard everything form 7 days, which I know not to be accurate up to 30 days. Which is it? I am on my 4th week and will have trt bloods drawn the beginning of August for my TRT and don't want them totally out of whack. The half-life will depend on if I do 10 or 12 weeks. I am not able to get another ester at this time as I know that is the first thing that will be advised. A ten week cycle will end May 5th and a 12 week cycle will end 5/19 and bloods would be drawn about 8/3-8/5.
Here is the question about the shots. I have done four of them. All from the same vial. one i hit a vein and had a bruise. Another one was no issue . Two of them ( one glute, one front thigh) i had a red rash and a sort of mass. I know the gear is not contaminated and have been told some people get this. Some of what I have heard is I might not be getting it all into muscle, but some into some fat. I am about 17% bodyfat hence lower dosage cycles and have dropped 4% bodyfat since being on the gear since February of this year. I had also been told some people are sensitive to certain oils. I contacted pharmacon and was told its grapeseed oil. My trt test is cottonseed oil and has no reaction. When i hit a vein with that it just was a bit of a bruise. Any advice is appreciated. ON my question not english skills.
Ok brother I have had recently a similar situation. First for the redness and mass after shots. Get some 1/1-2“ needles so you get deep enough. Also when you inject go a little slower. I did one today came out too fast and boom nice stream of blood had a little bump in inj site. No biggy just massage it til it goes away. Also redness is sometimes normal. Our body’s when we start using different sites the ba and things in it sometime irritate the area. No worries about it unless you start to get a lump a few days later at the inj site. Then you may want to seek attention. Abscess can happen quickly once they start. Now to the sustanon .. yes you are running 450mg of test a week. That is a nice test cycle. I just been thru this . The reason sust makes it hard to judge for bloods is the different esters. They all have different Hal life’s. I’ve been on trt for years and last winter I started 1 gram a week of sust I was also running some prop with it to the tune of almost 1.5-1.7 grams a week..why did I think running sust for as long as I was a good idea knowing I had blood work to take . I don’t k ow but I did it. anyway the sust ruined my test results it took almost 7 weeks for my levels to start to come into my trt range. When I run my trt dose of 200 mg a week my number is round 7-800ng depending on how close to inject time I get bloods done. if you have a trt bloods in August I would say second 3rd week In June should be the last sust inject.. I could be wrong so maybe someone else can chime in as week. When we have to have scheduled blood work sust is sometimes not the best trt testosterone to use. Since this mishap with my dr I am just running prop. When I get bloods done in June I will discontinue the prop 3 weeks out and start my 200mg of Cyp. I hope this helps and my suggestion is if you are going to stay on dr trt unless you give yourself ample time you need to be very aware of the half life’s of compounds.. I am becoming a short eater person the more the years go on. It’s a little more expensive but not for the price of mind.
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I am thnking this week i will try the heat up and i do use BD. I will also put 1/2 cc into each delt and see how it goes. For those who compete do i have any prayer if i cant use propinate? It seems like propinate and short esters are what is used during the final contest weeks.
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My thought is that the ester debate is bullshit. Testosterone is testosterone is testosterone.
Having said that, it seems that plenty of people believe that propionate makes a difference. Perhaps I’m just jealous.
I can say that I HAVE had some success on the dais, always making the night show. Worst finish being 4th at a show with 21 people in my class, at 169lbs/5’ 9” with the cutoff 186lbs.
I have NEVER been able to run propionate past that first, crippling shot.
I wouldn’t be concerned. Gear is 5% of the equation imo. Prep and go my man!
I have been able to mitigate the pip using EO or MIG840, up to 50mg/ml. Then you need to discover if you can tolerate MIG.
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My thought is that the ester debate is bullshit. Testosterone is testosterone is testosterone.
Having said that, it seems that plenty of people believe that propionate makes a difference. Perhaps I’m just jealous.
I can say that I HAVE had some success on the dais, always making the night show. Worst finish being 4th at a show with 21 people in my class, at 169lbs/5’ 9” with the cutoff 186lbs.
I have NEVER been able to run propionate past that first, crippling shot.
I wouldn’t be concerned. Gear is 5% of the equation imo. Prep and go my man!
I have been able to mitigate the pip using EO or MIG840, up to 50mg/ml. Then you need to discover if you can tolerate MIG.
Youre right. Ester does not matter. Technically its more potent because it just holds more compound. All that nonsense about prop causing less water retention is bullshit though. So its all testosterone but 100mg of prop has more test than 100mg of cyp.
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Nto really going to turn this into a cycle guide, but shot 300mmg tonight into my left thigh, but made sure to go more outer thigh about 3-4 inches above the knee. I did heat it up in warn bordering on hot water for 10 minutes i will update in a couple days.
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Originally Posted by
bulldogger
Hello
Been training on and off 20 years been on very hard training 5 years and trt for 1 year. Doing my first cycle now. I am doing 300mg sustanon 300 by pharmacon. My TRT Dose is 150mg of Cypionate per week.
Now with this amount do i count my cycle as 300mg per week or is my cycle 425mg per week as I count the trt as part of the dosage?
One question I have is about the half-life of this. I have heard everything form 7 days, which I know not to be accurate up to 30 days. Which is it? I am on my 4th week and will have trt bloods drawn the beginning of August for my TRT and don't want them totally out of whack. The half-life will depend on if I do 10 or 12 weeks. I am not able to get another ester at this time as I know that is the first thing that will be advised. A ten week cycle will end May 5th and a 12 week cycle will end 5/19 and bloods would be drawn about 8/3-8/5.
Here is the question about the shots. I have done four of them. All from the same vial. one i hit a vein and had a bruise. Another one was no issue . Two of them ( one glute, one front thigh) i had a red rash and a sort of mass. I know the gear is not contaminated and have been told some people get this. Some of what I have heard is I might not be getting it all into muscle, but some into some fat. I am about 17% bodyfat hence lower dosage cycles and have dropped 4% bodyfat since being on the gear since February of this year. I had also been told some people are sensitive to certain oils. I contacted pharmacon and was told its grapeseed oil. My trt test is cottonseed oil and has no reaction. When i hit a vein with that it just was a bit of a bruise. Any advice is appreciated. ON my question not english skills.
To your 1st question- or you're using Sustanon, it is a blend of different esters of testosterone. So, some long and some med, and short as well. Just Google sustanon esters and half lives. That's why you hear guys stating that they will pin sust EOD to every 3rd day etc... you can still pin sust twice a week if you really wanted to. It's just not ideal with that compound of test.
To ur 2nd question -
The red welts and soreness is very common in pinning in your quads. I would stay away from that. I used to get sore as hell in my quads as well after injecting. Just pin in your delts and glutes if possible. Lot less nerves in glutes.
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Yes your cycle would be 450...
Becouse thats how much test your running total pw....what diff esters doesnt matter...sust has a slow ...med...fast...
If your getting sore spots it prob from the sust and being it 300 i think you said... higher concentration compound equals more pip... Your quads will get used to it....
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Originally Posted by
bulldogger
Nto really going to turn this into a cycle guide, but shot 300mmg tonight into my left thigh, but made sure to go more outer thigh about 3-4 inches above the knee. I did heat it up in warn bordering on hot water for 10 minutes i will update in a couple days.
Thanks for the answers to those questions guys. I was thinking the trt dose did not count toward the cycle. The sustanon is nice, but i think i will be using enanthate or cypionte next time after the rest of the stash is gone, but that will be a couple cycles and i likely will only run two per year. I am hoping the 500mg eq does not do the same pip and welts next cycle.
UPDATE ON LAST SHOT
No reaction so far based on either where i pinned it or the heating up of it. Whatever the case it worked. Thanks. Never thought of heating it up. I put the whole vial short of where the top would be so it did not get wet. 10 minutes, drew then injected and no issue.
I will ask another question since you guys have been so great. I have bd i inch 22g and 23 g sypringer with needles. I have not used the 23 yet as 22g is what was prescribed with my trt. Anyway I wondered if some of my reaction could be if they were expired since my trt are with the script needles and the cycle is with the other. They are all individual in the sealed wrapper. I dont have the box. how do i find the expiration date? One guy told me "They dont expire" They just tell you that. Someone else said just draw a bit of alcohol into the syringe and then let it out and wait a minute before drawing. Thoughts?
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