Thread: Help a brother out - PIP and can hardly walk

Originally Posted by Revelations

First of all brother, welcome to the darkside. Looks like you decided to make a big boy decision and venture out into the "other" side of bodybuilding. I'm surprised there wasn't too many brothers chiming in on the fact that this is your first cycle. So as you probably know this is a life long decision and hopefully you did lots of research before jumping in, so I'm not going to get into details about proper pinning procedures and sanitary practices because you should already know about that. I will tell you this though; everything you are experiencing is COMPLETELY normal for your first go at this. And it don't matter when you switch to glutes you will still be sore as well being that it is virgin muscle as another member said. My first cycle a couple of pins I could barely walk because I switched legs and each of them were sore. It just happens in the beginning and will go away bro. And the flu systems are called "test flu". Its the body's response to a dramatic influx of hormones. I highly doubt your gear is contaminated and these symptoms are all that of legit gear for a new time user. Now does all this suck? Yes it does but it is temporary and will go away, but hey check it out these are all parts of the game and I warn new guys about this. The good comes with the bad. Now the good: If you eat good and train right expect to put on around 20lbs on your first test cycle. So yeah will the pain initially suck, yeah but just wait till people start commenting on how you put on noticeable size, something you never would have been able to do naturally in such a short time frame. In fact, as a natural; it would be fair to say someone did well if they put on 20 lbs of lean mass in their entire life. Anyways, enough of my rant, just know that this is a lifelong commitment and there are going to be some things that you will have to deal with if this is what you want to do. So to summarize, I do not think there is anything wrong with your gear, I think this is just virgin muscle and "test flu" you are experiencing, but if you notice pain, redness, or swelling/inflamation around the injection sites than you should be a bit more concerned as it could be an infection. Again tho, that is could be, it also could be a reaction to caririer oils and a handful of other things so try not to freak out about things as long as you are sanitary. Just do your research and feel free to ask any questions on here bro. Tons of vets on the board that will be more than happy to help you. Enjoy the ride my man!
-Rev

Cheers for the advice. All this aside, the responses I've got from people i don't know personally who have taken the time to write such detailed replys is awesome and truly appreciate it.

Back to your reply, so your suggesting to continue as i am and see if it comes good?

And i did do plenty (hopefully enough) research to have everything covered, i did anticipate some pip but not to the point of being unable to go to the gym/work...

I had my doctor show me how to pin quads. The key is to hit them from the side but you need to be careful of your IT band. I get 0 pip using pharma grade. I'm currently using some NPP200 and it goes from a 0 to a 6 out of 10. But I deal with it. I'm also using some test P right now. Using 31 gauge insulin pins. I just stab that muther fucker anywhere and theres 0 pip 0 sourness. Loving the test P.

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Originally Posted by BombdotCom

I had my doctor show me how to pin quads. The key is to hit them from the side but you need to be careful of your IT band. I get 0 pip using pharma grade. I'm currently using some NPP200 and it goes from a 0 to a 6 out of 10. But I deal with it. I'm also using some test P right now. Using 31 gauge insulin pins. I just stab that muther fucker anywhere and theres 0 pip 0 sourness. Loving the test P.

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Cheers, I'll look more into the IT band

Originally Posted by BombdotCom

I had my doctor show me how to pin quads. The key is to hit them from the side but you need to be careful of your IT band. I get 0 pip using pharma grade. I'm currently using some NPP200 and it goes from a 0 to a 6 out of 10. But I deal with it. I'm also using some test P right now. Using 31 gauge insulin pins. I just stab that muther fucker anywhere and theres 0 pip 0 sourness. Loving the test P.

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I just looked at the location and that it band is rather large and basically it looks like i would have come very close if not directly in there...

Originally Posted by LASB

I just looked at the location and that it band is rather large and basically it looks like i would have come very close if not directly in there...

YouTube it. Or just pin glutes and shoulders. Whatever works. You'll figure it out.

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Sounds like too much of a solvent was used. Naproxen sodium and vitamin C will help. If you smoke, do so and stretch the hell out of it. Icy hot helps for stretching too. You'll feel how balled up it is, but the real pain will be masked.

I used to use QV 50ml enanthate jugs, I spent a few years finding ways to reduce pip. Use sterile oil to cut whatever you have left.

Originally Posted by DubleDizzle

Dont pin quads. Problem solved. Lol. I'm I've ever tried quads I can't move for days so I stick with glute and VG and I never pimp I'm always able to move and that's just me

DubD

Pinning delts with slin pins is a good alternative... I'd leave the quads alone!

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I LOVE pinning quads. Another tip to help with virgin muscles and PIP overall is turning hot water on and running the barrel under it for about 10 seconds just to get the oil warm. Make sure you keep the needle cap on and try to keep any water out if possible. This method also makes it where you can use a much higher gauge and still get the oil through (27-30g) Best of luck. One day you’ll be able to use a slin pin on quads and you’ll never feel it again

One sponsor hurt me like hell i dealt with it for two,cycles thinking its "virgin muscle" tried a new lab 0 pip. Asked rep about it said nobody has ever reported pip from said gear. Gotta be solvents used cuz both labs claimed the same amounts and mct.

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